Debbie Hayton and Posie Parker on Matthew Wright, TalkRadio between 1pm and 2pm **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

Re Nick Duffy's attempted use of suicide statistics, interviewers need to be better aware of well-estabished advice and understanding about discussing this

Samaritans media guidance,
"Research has consistently shown links between certain types of media coverage of suicide and increases in suicidal behaviour among vulnerable people"

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide

Best practice (extract)
2 Remember that there is a risk of imitational behaviour due to ‘over-identification’.

Vulnerable individuals may identify with a person who has died, or with the circumstances in which a person took their own life.

For example, combining references to life circumstances, say a debt problem or job loss, and descriptions of an easy-to-imitate suicide method in the same report, could put at greater risk people who are vulnerable as a result of financial stress.

Never say a method is quick, easy, painless or certain to result in death. Try to avoid portraying anything that is immediate or easy to imitate – especially where the ingredients or tools involved are readily available.

1. Avoid over-simplification

Over-simplification of the causes or perceived ‘triggers’ for a suicide can be misleading and is unlikely to reflect accurately the complexity of suicide.

For example, avoid the suggestion that a single incident, such as loss of a job, relationship breakdown or bereavement, was the cause."

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/best-practice-suicide-reporting-tips

BlytheSpiritsSpirit as I posted earlier I'm pretty sure he was talking about the risk to transmen in men's toilets not the well documented other (Posie wouldn't have let that go).

Matthew Wright can probably have done his homework, whilst remaining a man with male privilege. Therefore his grasp of the issues would have to be learnt, not intuitive.

Hopefully...

Did Posie not drawn attention to MW that previously when she was on, he talked about the group of women who attacked a lone guy at a London station, as evidence of female violence against males? But when they were convicted a few weeks ago, it was confirmed that they were transwomen (as most of us had figured out).

Catchup here:- talkradio.co.uk/radio/listen-again/1544014800#

Is there a way to listen to the whole thing on catch-up?

Nick; nobody has ever been attacked by a transwoman

Did he really say this? Did anyone pull him up in it if he did? Does he live under a rock, or is he just payed to pretend to do so?

Re the 'thumbs up' twitters a pretty blunt instrument especially when you're just whizzing through.

My impression was that he both understood where the areas of contention were and had had a fair few chats with regular women in real life and was bringing some of that 'woman on the Clapham omnibus' (haha!) tone back into his chat (as opposed to media luvies)

I think the response to the homework comment was "patronising" because of his assumption that it came from a woman...

Ah I was typing slowly and the chat has moved on. I was referring to Matthew Wright's response to him having 'done his homework'

Think Matthew Wright's tweet was fair enough to be honest - I'd have probably replied similarly.

(Btw I'm not Camper - though I did say something very similar)

I kept being interrupted whilst listening (vomiting child) so waiting to listen again.

Particularly the initial part with Debbie about why they transitioned which sounded very good. The part later about shared spaces sounded uncomfortable though - arguing strongly for more third spaces would seem to be consistent with Debbie's awareness of risks/ how women feel.

The risk assessment approach that was advocated is clearly not viable except on a tiny scale (and even at a school how could one include some whilst excluding others?).

Debbie is so analytical and clear headed but this seems to be a fault line. I do understand why and have sympathies but it is a shame

I'll be honest, I didn't have high hopes for Matthew Wright.

My take on him is that he doesn't actually give a shit about the issues at all but wants to come across as Mr Clever and Mr Teasonable reasonable to all.

He blocked me after Posie was on last time when I asked how he squares agreeing with a rape victim that male free spaces are absolutely necessary with calling women who want to keep women’s space women only bigots.

He’s just another media bloke who wants to treat women like shit.

He’s still a misogynist.

He's a charmer!

Matthew Wright tweets

Datun
Your whole post . That's exactly it.

Being not been

Some male transpeople may see themselves as refugees, but they are not. They aren't been rejected and excluded by men from male spaces. It's their choice to colonise female spaces, not because they have nowhere else to go, but because they want to.

Rowantrees I dont get your point

The colonisation of womens spaces is also being done by various means
; gaining influence and hence power in strategic positions and using them ruthlessly.
; soft sell by constant appeal to suicide statistics and of the violence experienced by transpeople. to win over hearts and minds

It's interesting that Debbie admitted that they had no idea how women felt about this until they started to listen.

I can't be the only one that finds it a little bizarre that men are quite so oblivious. I mean, I know they are, but when it's really right in front of your nose, it's so depressing.

We walk through life with this in front of us permanently. Something that they have no notion of.

Yet they can read statistics, they can read newspaper reports, and watch violence all around them. How do they think it makes us feel???!

There is an inherent, ingrained knowledge in people like Nick that absolutely sees women as lesser than. There may be a few exceptions in his life, but that will be grudging.

And yes, Matthew Wright gets it. And he hasn't even heard half of it yet.

That was literally as good as listening in to it - will catch up later.

Thanks all.

I will listen later, but thanks for the running commentary.

Debbie is for the refugee model and not the colonisation model.

I totally understand that new women colleagues might not be comfortable with the refugees.

This analogy doesn't work.
If you wish to use a colonisation metaphor, perhaps this more accurate:
Colonisation was achieved in some places with guns and bloodshed and in others with bibles, education and medical supplies. The result though for the indigenous group is fundimentally the same though no doubt the 'invaders' would see their motivations differently.

Thank you everyone! I couldn’t listen at work.