Womb transplant - I think we know where this will go don't we?

Since they're apparently wanting gender and not biological sex, they're probably not scientifically competent to find their own backside with both hands anyway.

I see nowhere in this is any interest in the best interests of the child, or the likely effects on them, or even a recognition of the child as a stakeholder in the process. Any discussion of male preg is always all about me, me, me, me and the wanted experiences for me and the feelz for me and the power for me, while a group of scientists enjoy the intellectual challenge.

I voted remain before but if we have another ref do wonder if getting rid of many EU laws and the ECJ will benefit females against this sort of stuff. The ECJ has made it all worse by saying people who think they are women should have the same rights as women.

Wow, ChewyLouie, the article intro is one big narcisstic wank fest.

'Ethically, the consideration of performing UTx in transgender women is primarily motivated by the considerations of justice and equality. Like all women, psychological harm may arise secondary to a mismatch between reproductive capacity and aspiration. Transgender women have AUFI, and therefore they cannot experience gestation, which may play an integral role in the expression and consolidation of a female identity, and is considered by many to constitute a transformative experience. Legally, under the Equality Act (2010) transgender people are afforded explicit protection from both direct and indirect forms of discrimination through the characterisation of ‘gender reassignment’ as a protected characteristic. As such, M2F transgender women cannot be subjected to discrimination on the basis of this characteristic. Subsequently, if UTx becomes an established treatment option for women with AUFI, UK and EU legislation would make it legally impermissible to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women solely because of their gender identity. Performing UTx in this population, however, raises a number of anatomical, physiological, fertility, and obstetric considerations.'

Everything for the validation of the transmale, let's shit on the child and Equality Act (2010) gives 'transwomen' the principle right to be pregnant. Because law always trumps material reality, obviously.
What lunacy!

Personally, I believe there is a greater chance humans will become technically able to grow an embryo into a baby in an artificial uterus outside the body than there is to do that in a male.

I further believe that it is more likely that bioethics committees and doctors will consent to an 'outside of body' procedure/experiment than to an 'in male' procedure/experiment, as the latter always poses additional risk, namely the life and health of the adult male.

I found this online, makes for grim reading but this research funded by the Wellcome Trust and published Aug 2018, shows it is being seriously considered.
obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1471-0528.15438

Some people seem to think the uterus is just a sort of bag that you can grow a foetus in, so why would it matter where the bag is.

Just like some people seem to think the vagina is just a hole to put a dick in, so why shouldn't a surgically created hole be a vagina.

There is a lot of ignorance about the complexity of the female reproductive system and the female reproductive role, and in a lot of cases it stems from pure misogyny.

I decided to opt out when I saw they wanted my gender not my sex. If they don't realise the importance of sex when it comes to donated organs then I don't trust them with my body. Sex not gender. I'm now getting too old for most donations anyway

Organ donation is an opt out now

Not yet in England

REALLY??!!

Yes. It's not immediately clear what cyclical levels of GnRH would do long term in terms of spermatogenesis but it's not that outlandish that functioning sperm would be produced in some capacity.

Those with donor cards who disagree with this, would need to change the consents.

Organ donation is an opt out now, bear in mind.

I just listened to this. Think about where this is heading... Nowhere good for women and children

Can We Make an Artificial Womb? g.co/kgs/Dir15v

'sewing a pair of balls onto a woman and expecting a female body to be able to produce sperm

Barring immunological reactions, that likely would work. Semen would be another matter and the sperm would be genetically that of the donor. The recipient would also benefit from a reduced risk of osteoporosis.'

REALLY??!!

I can’t see this happening, it takes more than a uterus to sustain a pregnancy.

What I find intriguing in all this stuff about womb transplants is the disregard for the number of foetuses that must be lost in trying to get a live pregnancy. I’m pro-choice with regards to abortion but as far as I’m aware it’s illegal in Brazil, but a womb transplant that is very risky for a foetus is ok?

Would it be morally acceptable to the masses to deliberately put so many foetuses at risk for the sake of someone with a male body to try and sustain a pregnancy. Especially when you think how women are judged if they drink, eat certain foods, or take medication during pregnancy.

Also, I believe that some people have a delusional belief that young trans men will be the donators of wombs to trans women, not appreciating what happens to female organs when those trans men take testosterone.

It makes the TRA drive to persuade young autistic women and lesbians that they're really men even creepier.

I completely agree with Barbarianmum that there will be foetuses grown in incubators before it would become possible for males with womb transplants to be able to carry a foetus without killing it or themselves. And once those incubators exist, there will be no chance of a male getting an embryo implanted.

In any case, in the UK, I believe it's unlawful for an embryo to be implanted in a male.

It has been written up in The Lancet, although am I right in thinking they have not been immune to the Trans Fanz epidemic?

It has great potential to help with infertility in Adult Human Females, but listen to the poem linked by IToldYouIWasFreaky, a great reminder of what women’s bodies do to accommodate having a baby, and that’s just the physical stuff.

I imagine quite a few men will try this but the best case scenario will be that they get nasty infections and get really ill.

I don't think they will try it. They like to say they will because it's goady, but they won't want to put their own lives at risk in this way.

I dont see wombs as different at all - its just another organ. Any woman who wants it could have mine if I die (not that they'd want it, it's a bit old). Dont feel nearly as squeamish about it as I do about my corneas.

It wouldnt work in a man so no worries about it being used as some "brave new trans world" experiment. We'll see babies grown in tanks long before any female to male womb transplants are successful.

Relax. It takes a whole woman's body to build a baby - not just a womb. A womb transplant in a man's body would be completely pointless. It'd be like tattooing gills on your neck and trying to breathe underwater.

And that would stop the TRA's demanding it because...

The suggestion that there is a plentiful supply of dead young women with bodies health enough for a womb transplant is quite disturbing. Not only does it presuppose that there are a lot of women dying who could donate, but also that those women who do die would want to donate.

Many people have a donor card because they like the idea that if they die they might save or extend someone's life. Womb transplant is a completely different thing and should require explicit consent, but I doubt the donor in Brazil was ever asked to think about their opinion on it.

Those with donor cards who disagree with this, would need to change the consents.

Terfing yes there’s something not quite right.

Nevertheless if TRAs get their way, they will bankrupt the NHS trying to do it.

And the worst bit is the NHS will let them.