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Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)

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ProfessionalBarren · 05/12/2018 07:29

Absolutely shocked (and wasn’t sure I still could be) by her thread this morning about the abuse she’s endured, including acts of physical intimidation, covert bullying and vandalism. twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1070158128837246977?s=20 Fuckers.

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Imissgmichael · 06/12/2018 01:18

What are the police doing?

Ereshkigal · 06/12/2018 01:17

Who was this? Brown?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 06/12/2018 01:17

The Times is covering it

FlowersFlowers Rosa, it sucks you have to put up with this stalking and harassment - it is totally illegal and unacceptable. I'm wishing you safety for you and your family.

Where is your employer's duty of care? Are the police as quick to follow this up as the vexatious reports of so-called transphobic hate speech?

Who is standing up for women? The silence is deafening and we will not forget those who stood by and bystander bullied when they have the power to put a stop to it.

Oldstyle · 06/12/2018 01:05

It seems a trans Labour councillor has responded to hearing about the abuse / misogyny meted out to Rosa by saying that she deserved it. She's now protected her twitter account but there are screenshots up. If anything more is needed to prove that trans women are explicitly not women (and I do realise that we have more than enough proof already) that total lack of empathy certainly does it for me.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/12/2018 00:04

Reading University. This is what you need to say.

  • we will not tolerate abuse, threats or criminal damage perpetrated against our staff in their place of work
  • we are investigating these incidents and when we identify the perpetrators we will pursue the strongest sanctions against them
  • we will work with Prof Freedman to ensure that she feels safe and supported on campus and at work
  • we prioritise the safety of all our staff and students regardless of their beliefs, identity or or political positions.

OK? Crimes have been committed on your watch. Can you respond to this rather than behaving as though a woman needs to be defended against the charge of 'having an opinion men don't like' by citing her support for lgbt rights as though in mitigation of her thoughtcrime?

Mumfun · 05/12/2018 23:10

Exactly Tallulah. Bastards! Can I rewrite it for them?

We explicitly respect the right of our staff and students to discuss all topics of academic interest including those that may be controversial. .

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 23:06

Tallulah - thank you. I somehow missed the massively problematic statement from Uni of Reading at end of BBC article (so excited was I that the BBC were covering it properly):

A University of Reading spokesman said Prof Freedman had "worked extensively throughout her career on the rights of women and the LGBT community".
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He added: "We explicitly respect the right of our trans staff and students to self-identify their gender.*
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"This is entirely consistent with our strong defence of the principle of academic freedom and the role of universities and academics in public debate."*

So Prof Freedman is then campaigning against the declared policy of the university??? 🤨

I know that Uni of Sussex (Prof Stock's institution) published a dodgy sounding policy on this a few weeks back but has the Uni of Reading had a actual consultation on this and considered the impacts or is he just a woke idiot comms person assuming that he's uttering a 'motherhood and apple pie' statement??

boatyardblues · 05/12/2018 23:04

How is "we support self-id" an appropriate response to the fact that one of your staff has been subjected to threats, abuse and criminal damage?

I thought the same. Almost tone deaf to the actual subject at hand - the abuse towards Rosa.

Rosa - please take courage from the support here. There are so many of us appalled by the disgusting abuse you have suffered when you have been such a strong advocate for others. Just awful. Flowers

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 05/12/2018 22:58

How is "we support self-id" an appropriate response to the fact that one of your staff has been subjected to threats, abuse and criminal damage? Did they say anything deprecatory about said crimes or is the implication that it's all in a days work in the service of trans rights?

Anothermothersusername · 05/12/2018 22:47

I saw that too. It’s stories like this which make me feel like I could never be open about my views regarding self I.D. I think this is exactly what the trans activists want - to strike the fear of god into anyone else should they dare even think about speaking out.

Needmoresleep · 05/12/2018 22:39

The Mail has covered it www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6463947/Law-professor-blames-transgender-activists-campaign-harassment.html

I wonder what the Guardian will do.

HerFemaleness · 05/12/2018 22:36

I have such incredible admiration for Rosa Freedman. She continues despite this abuse.

arranbubonicplague · 05/12/2018 22:32

James Kirkup on Rosa Freedman:

MPs and ministers have – quite rightly – taken time and trouble to debate and address the wholly unacceptable abuse and discrimination that transgender people sadly face all too often. In that, they were doing their jobs, representing the interests of people who need someone to speak for them.

Will that happen in the case of Rosa Freedman? Will MPs do their job and ensure that she can do hers without urine on her door and calls in the night telling her she should be raped and killed? Don’t bet on it. After all, she’s only a woman, and who cares about them? Who speaks for them?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/women-are-abused-in-the-name-of-trans-rights-but-do-mps-care/

rightreckoner · 05/12/2018 22:28

Yes that feels like a major change on tone from the BBC.

Although they were at pains to quote the academic who says that Rosa has never said anything transexclusionary. I mean heaven forbid that any woman should actually want to exclude Transwomen from anything like their changing rooms or hospital wards or from the meaning of the word woman. I mean that really would be terrible and wrongthink.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 22:15

Goodness! That's pretty hard hitting from the woke 'handle anything trans with kid gloves' BBC

Good. Maybe finally people are starting to wake up

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/12/2018 22:03

It's on the BBC website now..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-berkshire-46454454?SThisFB=&__twitter_impression=true

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/12/2018 21:57

I'm intrigued to know exactly what details Reading University need to know before they say anything further! And the events are "alleged" by one of their tenured professors - are they really suggesting she is making it up? Are they really unable to find pissing on her door, and threatening to rape and kill her? Really?!

Katvonblackdeath · 05/12/2018 21:37

Rosa I'm so upset for you. So upset.
Flowers

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 21:27

'Context' not 'content'

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 21:26

Someone tweeted something earlier that summed it up for me (can't find it sorry) - it basically said that we live in a world where we ban the song 'baby, it's cold outside' [FFS] yet let male rapists into women's prisons

This for me is what Woman's Hour (I appreciate they've covered it now but it's post GRA and clearly with kid gloves - Jane G was brilliant given the content but she audibly had palpitations whenever the blooming obvious was pointed out [thank you Dr Nic etc]), the Guardian and 'feminist' MPs have been doing.

Concerning themselves about relative trivialities (the cultural significance of lipgloss, wolf whistling etc) whilst the biggest fecking heist on women's rights in 100 years has been going on in plain sight

Theswaggyotter · 05/12/2018 21:23

This is horrendous and I hope more people are compelled to speak out against this kind of terrorism against women.

I’m sorry Rosa that you are suffering so much for speaking the truth Flowers

ToeToToe · 05/12/2018 21:16

The Left has let women down atrociously. They have allowed misogyny to fester and grow unchecked. I think it has always been there, under the surface, by this has allowed it to come out into the open - carte blanche to abuse any woman who wishes to uphold her personal boundaries in any way.

ToeToToe · 05/12/2018 21:13

Solidarity Rosa Thanks

lucydogz · 05/12/2018 21:07

Where the fuck are the Left? Especially women MPs on the left?

Waterparc · 05/12/2018 21:06

Bumping.

This has been on my mind.

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