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Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)

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ProfessionalBarren · 05/12/2018 07:29

Absolutely shocked (and wasn’t sure I still could be) by her thread this morning about the abuse she’s endured, including acts of physical intimidation, covert bullying and vandalism. twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1070158128837246977?s=20 Fuckers.

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deepwatersolo · 05/12/2018 09:17

Given the link between certain sections of the Labour party, misogyny and anti-Semitism, I suspect it is because she's Jewish.

I actually do not think it is motivated by her being Jewish, but really 'just' by her being an outspoken woman who has expertise in the field, and therefore has credibility and great potential impact.

That said, considering how during NAZI rule Jews were forced to clean up streets on their knees with toothbrushes in public, and Jewish shop fronts were being marked and vandalized (including being pissed at, I bet) and the owners had to clean their shop fronts and doors afterwards, this leaves a particularly bad taste in my mouth.

HumberElla · 05/12/2018 09:13

Leadership at these institutions appears very weak indeed. I think now that Universities are run as businesses now the only way they will change and stand up for their workforce is if students demand it. The Universities I work with (indirectly) will fall over themselves to avoid complaints from students that might affect their ratings. Vocal students will therefore be very effective at getting their own way over and above staff.
My thoughts are with Rosa today.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 05/12/2018 09:11

This is shocking! Her place of employment absolutely should take a zero tolerance approach to this intimidation and threatening behaviour.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 09:10

I think for some of the TRAs it is more related to toxic masculinity and the sink or swim logic embedded in it. For some who couldn't swim in the initial pool, this has given them a second chance at dominating - getting what they feel is their due as males in society.

That coupled with resentment that they see when they look around them that no one really believes they are what they say they are. Probably because this type of TRA are aggressively masculine in their behaviour.

And as well as us it's shit for the non TRA trans people who completely disagree with all this, who are sheltering from the toxic masculinity rather than embodying 'masculinity on steroids' and yet get tarred with the same brush.

OrchidInTheSun · 05/12/2018 09:05

Yes I think you're right too. It's terrifying

LangCleg · 05/12/2018 09:05

I've been coming slowly to the conclusion that TRAs are creating a "better" category of women. They are pushing female people out and under. They're simply gatecrashing and colonising the category "woman".

I agree. Which is why I find appropriation of woman far, far worse than any misgendering bollocks.

Gilead in lipstick. They don't want to be us. They want to be our Commanders.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/12/2018 09:04

University management needs to be making some strong and unequivocal statements that this is not acceptable and putting protection in place if necessary.

LangCleg · 05/12/2018 09:03

The leadership at these institutions really need to make a stand

Yes, they fucking do. I'm beyond furious this morning.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 05/12/2018 09:02

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ChewyLouie · 05/12/2018 08:59

This is disgraceful and the University needs to be held to account. Prof Freedman is an employee at her place of work , her workplace needs to be implement a zero tolerance policy against intimidation yang any student violating this should be held to account. At the moment it seems many universities are willing to support male aggression towards women and I’d really like to understand why they have taken this stance. The police need to be notified and a complaint made for every single incident.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 05/12/2018 08:56

They want to be us - women

I don't think TRAs do want to be us. From everything I've seen of them, I believe them to be MRAs who are driven to fury by the cognitive dissonance of on one hand loathing women, but on the other being attracted to us. They want us to either be compelled to provide them with sex or to be annihilated.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 08:55

Out me BlushGrin

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 08:54

Put me

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 08:54

I know people have said this before, but I didn't see what they meant as clearly as I do now. Sadly I can't share the example which finally made it click for me as it might put me.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 08:52

It’s really weird
They want to be us - women
Yet they really really don’t like us - women

I've been coming slowly to the conclusion that TRAs are creating a "better" category of women. They are pushing female people out and under. They're simply gatecrashing and colonising the category "woman".

Their experiences and lives are in no way the experiences and lives of women. I think most of them are aware of this. Couple that with the malignant narcissism so prevalent among transactivists and you have a recipe for misogynistic bullying. These male people (and their male allies) are overjoyed to have a group of women they can abuse with impunity, and the power over their female allies that they are walking on eggshells around these neo women and don't dare to step out of line (and yes I've seen this).

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 08:51

Sorry - that should read 'through an act which only a male bodied person CAN do'

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 08:50

So the male bodied perpetrator was either a male that identifies as a woman and therefore feels that biology is irrelevant or a male that thinks agrees with that view

.. so they choose to protest about Rosa's view that female biology is relevant through an act which only a male bodied person cannot do??

A woman no matter how she identifies can literally never piss up a door .. this proving the very point that they are protesting about..

This is all such a headf*ck Confused

Terfing · 05/12/2018 08:46

Even if this was happening to someone with genuinely abhorrent views, it would still be inexcusable. If this was happening to Tommy Robinson or someone, I would still find it disgusting. Nobody deserves this!

littlbrowndog · 05/12/2018 08:44

It’s really weird
They want to be us - women
Yet they really really don’t like us - women

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 08:41

That's disgusting. Agree she needs to call the police.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 08:40

Saskia - yep, think it's endemic in the hard
Left and the misogyny/ anti semetism comes from the same place - both women and Jews are 'othered' in our culture and it's a fear of displacement.

Sheila Jefferies was very interesting at the LAWS about how women are excluded from socialist analysis - the approach is that women's liberation will just 'result' once capitalism has been overthrown.

GurlwiththeCurl · 05/12/2018 08:36

I think she needs to contact the police if the university is doing nothing to support her. This is appalling behaviour.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/12/2018 08:34

History is really repeating isn't it.
All we can do is make people aware of it.

MrsWinkly · 05/12/2018 08:33

What on earth is going on?
That's absolutely disgusting. How utterly terrifying for her.
Hard to believe the tactics of some of these TRAs.
Territorial pissings, threats of rape, abuse, harassment, physical intimidation - all very typical male deviant behaviours.
Oh, but they say they're women? Fuck right off with that rubbish.
Sending Flowers to Rosa.

deepwatersolo · 05/12/2018 08:31

It is inexcusable. And putting Freedman in the position of either enduring the odor til facility management cleans it up, and the public shaming that comes with it, when everyone walking by smells it, or cleaning it up herself - just vile.

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