Nic Williams on Woman's Hour (Tuesday) talking about sport and gender identity

I expect Beth will create a straw man- either include trans people in sports according to their id or deny them the benefits of engaging in sport.

My prediction also. I hope Nic has worked this out and is prepared for it.

I agree, particularly in the case of young people, that access to sport is a good thing. This is not the same as allowing cheating in competitive events.

just reading about this on twitter

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How is that fair?
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reported in the Guardian as brave & stunning Lauren’s story, is what peaked transed me

Also me. Every time I so much as hear Helen Pidd's name, I peak all over again.

But this is about women and girls sport
Sport England did a lot of research into why women and girls don’t take part in sport
One of the conclusions from that report I think was single sex sport was very important
Even at club level not just elite athelets

Looking forward to hearing this. There is enough evidence out there to prove that being born male bestows benefit in sport in terms of earning and performance. There is very little evidence that taking hormones removes that benefit which is why artificial hormones are banned in sport.

Good luck Dr Nic

I hope they highlight that she's a social scientist otherwise people will hear the 'doctor' and 'research' and assume otherwise

As Katvon above says, Beth doesn't seem to be trans.

However why a psychologist is an appropriate person to conduct research into whether trans women have an advantage in sport is beyond me (and presumably her too given her lack of relevant qualifications).

I'm sure she was very highly paid for her endeavours though..

Apologies then. I can’t imagine who else would dedicate their life to this utterly delusional nonsense but it seems some do . So glad my tax money is being used wisely.

What a pathetic suggestion.

Does she feel better for sucking up to men or summat?

I don’t want to offend any psychologists but since when did they study human physiology and anatomy to the extent that they are experts in the area with respect to sport?

Whoopsy I didn't go
My lady brain got distracted by something shiny

Beth is in the psychology dept. I think.
Shouldn't she be a sports scientist? This isn't about minds?
New Olympics
Lady brains line up
On your marks... get set.....GOOOOOOO

From Jones conclusions below

“If the size or strength of competitors is a concern, size categories can be developed that are independent of gender”

All the lols in the world
That will do the job then

I don't think Beth is trans.

I agree with her premise that being trans be a barrier to participating in sport.
Lots of young trans people I work with would greatly benefit from participating in sport. Sport provides structured opportunities to socialise for those with ASD and exercise is an effective intervention for low mood etc.
I think that there are lots of opportunities to run mixed sex training and mixed sex recreational tournaments in a number of sports and I think this is the way forward.
I am firmly against eradicating single sex sport through the inclusion of people according to gender identity.
I expect Beth will create a straw man- either include trans people in sports according to their id or deny them the benefits of engaging in sport.

I find this really hard to get my head around. I look at the pictures of Hannah Mouncey playing in the women’s game and it is blatantly unfair - how can anyone argue that it isn’t. It is comparing this picture to the arguments about testosterone etc etc and that transwomen don’t have an advantage that causes my brain to shut down as it is patently absurd. It would have to be outstanding and incontrovertible evidence for me to not believe my own eyes. Gaslighting on an apic scale.

That report is one of the most appalling things I've ever seen in the Guardian. And that's a high bar.

Hope he is doing ok. His story, reported in the Guardian as brave & stunning Lauren’s story, is what peaked transed me.

It's a shame they couldn't get an actual female sports woman on to join the debate, or a knowledgeable female coach. I hope it's not because no one dares put their head above the parapet. I feel we haven't yet seen much impact on sports in the UK (notwithstanding questionable new policies from amateur organisations). All the outrageous cases I have seen in the news have been from USA or Australia and NZ.

That academic profile is so poorly written it made my eyes water and my brain bleed.

So many of these gender projects seem to be about creating a transgravy train- be it in academia, charities or public services.