Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Original poster

Nic Williams on Woman's Hour (Tuesday) talking about sport and gender identity

533 replies

OrchidInTheSun · 04/12/2018 06:00

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1069731404488077318?s=21

Nic Williams will be debating with Beth Jones, who is an academic at Nottingham Trent www.ntu.ac.uk/staff-profiles/social-sciences/dr-beth-jones

OP posts:
Thread gallery
10
incallthebloodytime · 04/12/2018 10:32

There is actually a thread (yesterday) where a mum wanted to pull her DD out of a BJJ competition because she's got to fight men (because no women have entered, rather than the competition saying it's fair)

This is the only example I can think where it might be ok. Martial arts you often use your opponents strength against them. So strength isn't necessarily an advantage- the way you think and strategy is.

I do judo - as an adult in my 30's I wouldn't. I can't win. At 17 I may have been able to. Children compete mixed when there isn't enough in their catagory and girls often win.

CecilyNeville · 04/12/2018 10:32

It's annoying when hosts say things like, "that's just one example", and cuts off. There are dozens we can all reel off at the drop of a hat, from high school to World Championship level.

littlbrowndog · 04/12/2018 10:31

Train harder ladies
It’s our fault for not pushing ourselves
FFS

EverardDigby · 04/12/2018 10:31

That ended abruptly, plus the emphasising Beth wasn't saying no debate, what's going on there?

BertBox · 04/12/2018 10:30

Well done Nic. These Women’s Hour segments have been great - I wish they’d all been a lot longer and more in-depth.

BreakingNew · 04/12/2018 10:30

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Gileswithachainsaw · 04/12/2018 10:30

Well .. they ckearky didn't want to hear the list did they.

I'm pretty pissed off that Dr Nic was cut off like that

AornisHades · 04/12/2018 10:29

Good to get those examples out there

LilyRed · 04/12/2018 10:28

It's not rocket science, is it?

Yes we are talking about the possibility of EVERY sportswoman losing out to a transwoman. EVERY single woman in sports or ever to be in sports ...

Zeugma · 04/12/2018 10:28

Oh good, she has 👍

BreakingNew · 04/12/2018 10:28

Any parent of a girl is sports listing = Angry

GlomOfNit · 04/12/2018 10:28

Wow. How on earth was Dr Beth Handmaiden awarded her PhD? I've rarely heard such woolly thinking.

BubonicBudgie · 04/12/2018 10:27

And what about sports scholarships which are now going to TW ?

PerfectPenquins · 04/12/2018 10:27

So women just need to push themselves harder and they will be able to compete with men? Wtf so what woman are just being lazy and not pushing themselves so settling at the moment? Sod off

Zeugma · 04/12/2018 10:27

I wish Dr Nic would mention the risk of physical harm to women - though she's making great points, so go her

MrsWinkly · 04/12/2018 10:26

Maybe someone should post some of those pics of the giant trans women lined up with their much smaller female team mates and opponents on the WH twitter page.
Just for a visual reminder.

BertBox · 04/12/2018 10:26

This is just so cut dried and OBVIOUS it’s farcical.

C8H10N4O2 · 04/12/2018 10:24

Women don't out perform men because of psychological blocks? Nothing to do with muscle bulk in the male body.

This is just rubbish.

And as for saying "there is no evidence that its a problem" - in a climate where any academic producing the "wrong" answers can lose their funding after TRA lobbying it wouldn't surprise me. However surely some of the research into doping produces evidence on testosterone advantage.

incallthebloodytime · 04/12/2018 10:24

Makes me giggle how much they're going on that she isn't there not on purpose

TimeLady · 04/12/2018 10:24

Oh stop it, you bigots on MN, you're making my well funded research sound like a ridiculous waste of money

dianebrewster · 04/12/2018 10:24

Bloody hell. She's an academic!? She really comes over very poorly. Jane Garvey is doing a great job in incredulous questioning. Echoing the "WTF?" Of most listeners I'm guessing. Nic very clear - facts!

BubonicBudgie · 04/12/2018 10:23

Yay go Nic

MrsWinkly · 04/12/2018 10:23

At last.
Trans women have a male body, therefore have an advantage in sport.
Common sense.
Go on Nic.

cockBlocker · 04/12/2018 10:22

Has this woman ever taken part in any kind of sport at all ever? Or tried competing against men? Or seen a man's body before?

Gileswithachainsaw · 04/12/2018 10:22

She sounds utterly nuts.

Completely clueless. And actually didn't really answer the questions properly at all