Nic Williams on Woman's Hour (Tuesday) talking about sport and gender identity

5th columnists

Don't we just, rightreckoner, don't we just.

First of all, hello to everyone. I have been lurking for the past month, and have been amazed and pleased to see the common sense evident in the majority of the posting on here.
So, this is my first post, and it is on the very subject which made me aware of transgender issues - sport and more precisely Rachel McKinnon.
I used to be a racing cyclist, and some of my happiest moments were spent as a member of a club, which included men and women. We may have competed on the same courses, but we always had distinct and seperate competitions for men and women, and I believe that is how it should always be.
I fear that when we hear from people such as the delusional doctor of psychology, that we are going down the slippery slope of believing in mumbo jumbo instead of biology and physiology.
Back in October I contacted British Cycling, to see if they were willing to comment on this IMHO very dangerous progression, which could if left unchecked, result in the destruction of women's sport.
They refused to answer, suggesting that I contact the IOC (International Olympic Committee) or the UCI (Union Cycliste International), both World governing bodies based in Switzerland.
In short, they were sitting on the fence - disgraceful in my opinion.
Men are men and women are women, and men should never be allowed to invade women's safe spaces, and that includes women's sport.

Come on Beth, you've got to be spoofing us
what the fuck?!

Transwoman on the Woman's Hour twitter feed saying they'd had nothing but support from their "Cis women friends in fell running"...

Yes well we all know what happens when you disagree with a trans woman in the world of fell running.

they lost me as soon as they started the cis rubbish.

Np the cut off is never the tine factor.

Because every time it's " full piece by tra/mra" where the o my evidence is no evidence to the contrary.

Then as all as facts start coming out. Real life examples. Biological facts etc Its cut off.

They are afraid

The more TRAs debate the more they show they talk bull, the more they get researched and the whole thing exposed.

I note Layla Moran ran to the mail - she is interviewed - advocating surgery on children leaving them with vitamin deficiencies today.

I turned it off when her explanation of cisgender was 'someone who doesn't question their gender' as if we're all just hoodwinked and haven't woken up yet.

Jane Garvey makes the points the trans lobbyist should be making, were they to debate, and getting them comprehensively refuted by Nic Williamson. A very good tactic as if anything NW being put under more pressure than her opponent, and WH can’t be accused of bias.
No one who has ever participated in sport can be under any illusion that men in general are not bigger, stronger, faster than women. NW was right to emphasise common sense. Most people would think “why do we need research into this? It’s bloody obvious”.
I think the cut off was the time factor.

The 'cis' business at the start had me shouting at the radio within seconds. It's come to something when the word 'women' won't even be uttered and instead we have to be relegated to 'people who aren't trans'. And then as soon as it's - very politely - questioned there's a whole load of utter flannel about not being able to say what percentage of people might 'identify' as women.

I honestly never thought I'd live in a world where madness like this existed.

So women ''cap their capability psychologically" playing just other females eh Beth?

Our fault for not stretching ourselves .

More examples can always be given on their social media though.

It was great that dr nice used male bodied
Was really really clear to everyone what this was about
Male bodied ppl in women’s sport
Boom

Can I be the 94th to just say AAAAARGH.

Can just anyone get a phd these days? I wish I had been more over confident in my abilities when I was younger.

But also, although JG has done really, really well in getting this series on air at all, and moderating the discussions, I was really gutted to hear her almost ridicule Dr. Nic near the end on the "surely that's an exaggerated apocalyptic vision of the future of women's sports" thing. "That's just one example?" Sorry, but wise up, Jane

Women's Hour twitter has been lit up by trans-activists telling them not to talk about it too.

Women - don't you dare talk about women's sport being erased. It's going to be mixed. Or you have to accept transwomen winning everything. Don't complain! Be nice!

We make life choices that mean we don't progress or stay in STEM?? Fuck off.

Yyhades
There was a hint of panic in her voice there.

Think it gave the audience a glimpse of bow shut down it all still is even though there have been pockets of discussion allowed to air.

It's very much "sssh or dad will hear and we will be in trouble "

I think Jane cut i5 off cos was so obvious how the argument from jones was so pitiful
And Cripes we can’t have bbc showing bias towards women in

Please be kind, this is my first post in the feminism board. I’ve listen to the last part of the programme & read some of you comments. It’s not fair, women are being nudged out and all I could think of was the androgenisation of Easter European athletes in the 1970s. That was not fair. And it is now unacceptable. What is the difference between this and making it acceptable for trans women to complete in sports against women?

The good Doctor Harrop has been spamming twitter with his "good" opinions. Don't you just love when men tell the women presenters on Woman's Hour, the one programme supposedly dedicated to women, what to talk about? I love that.

I can't believe Dr Beth thought a good option was completely mixed sports! And that women would just need to try harder. This is the actual erasure of women's sports.

This has made me more furious than any of the other interviews.

At least by emphasising the fact that they couldn't get together on the day, it shuts down the bickering over who is given more of a platform and we can get on with discussing the issues. TRAs can't complain about bias if it's clear they were invited but couldn't prioritise.

WH won't want to be seen to suggest that specific transwomen are cheating....which, technically, they're not as they're simply competing under stupid existing rules

Giles I wonder if naming these people and talking about their natal sex had the BBC lawyers twitching or at least the producer worrying they were making the lawyers twitchy.

Serena Williams if only she trained harder she could win men’s singles

What losers us women are
Lazy we are
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