Why should men support feminism?

some feminists seem to be particularly resistant to debate

I'm resistant to having the same debate constantly with no results for 30 years. It's exhausting. It's not worth our valuable time.

I do think it would be worth every feminist having a cut and paste file with the same evidence, videos and appeals to humanity. Save some time.

Despite your protestations, you are deeply mysogenistic and are quite evidently an underperforming, bitter man who feels passed over.

Here we go again OP - have we met before...sounds familiar

What do you think the pay gap is down to then Scott?

This thread is an example of why men should really just leave feminists alone.

There is nothing constructive or genuine about a man occupying women's time with quibbling over whether sex-based oppression exists.

40% more overtime worked by men in the UK?
You mean paid recorded overtime. Women often work a lot of unpaid overtime, particularly in the healthcare industry. And, you do realise don't you, that part time working women are also being paid part time money and getting a shitty pension? I HAVE to work really hard now to make up for a few years of providing for my family on part time money. Because no other fucker was willing to.
And I don't (attempt) to have a career to only to provide for my family. A job does that. I, and every man I know actually, wants a career to provide satisfaction, validation, status and possibility. That's an entirely selfish pursuit ( and I'm pursuing it so I'm not judging) but I dont kid myself it's all for the benefit of my family.
Oh, also your assertion about "studies" showing that, pre children, women get promoted faster, that's bollocks. Look it up ( I don't have time I'm working!)

You clearly think sexism is fine. So no, you shouldn't support feminism.

" the overwhelming consensus seems to be that it's solely about achieving equality for women"

And why shouldn't that be the case? By definition, equality doesn't exclude men, or issues that primarily affect men.

But one thing that is rarely acknowledged on here is that men are judged by their income to a much greater extent than are women

Guess what Scott? Feminism is working towards ending that sort of bullshit.
Who do you think fraught for paternity leave? Guess what feminists.
If you can’t see the positive impact feminism has made to to men then you aren’t liking very hard.

Given that 20% of women don't have children (I don't know the equivalent for men - probably no one bothers to record it ) there must be a lot of people out there for whom providing for a family is not the end goal. It's certainly not the one I'd guess most people start out with! How about status, wealth, travel, a home, security for the future?

Of course, couples should work as a partnership. But the divorce rate is high and the Relationships boards on MN are full of stories of women being left stranded when their 'd'h buggers off. It is enormously risky for women to take time off from their careers to have kids, especially long-term. Yet many find their old jobs don't want them back! Or that their promotion prospects are mysteriously dead.

I have to stop posting now as it's late here (I live abroad) but I am glad you are thinking about these things. Too many people just accept 'the way things are' without ever questioning it.

3rd time lucky. Sex is determined at conception.

Fuxache

Sorry, I meant sex is how we're conceived

I hope your hard work gets rewarded Scott. If not then maybe move to a place where it is, or adjust your work life balance so you just work your contracted hours like your colleagues (you’ll probably improve your health, long-term quality of life etc by being able to exercise and socialise more).

DH is more willing to share childcare than go for jobs that are v stressful but more financially rewarding. I didn’t used to agree but I’m glad he prioritizes having time with kids and family over monetary success. We all have our priorities and I hope people can find jobs which align with theirs.

But you can bet my colleagues all want an equal share of the commission when the bonus comes around...

Pint of bitter Scott?

why should I support a cause which doesn't support the issues faced by my own gender?

It's sex, not gender. Gender is stereotype enforced by patriarchy, sex is how we're born. It's easy when you bother to learn just the basics about sex and gender.

And yes, men should support feminism, a more equal society raises us up too. What's wrong with that?

You've answered your own question....toxic masculinity, women as default parent, social conditioning making mothers sacrifice work commitments/career opportunities for childcare etc. These are all issues feminists discuss / debate / try to tackle. And we don't ignore male-on-male violence nor male suicide, that assumption is pure ignorance on yout part.

Equally, the way in your op you suggest feminists just want benefits in the "workplace etc", while ignoring many of the key topics in today's feminist movement such as FGM, domestic abuse and rape/ sexual assault comes across as goady. If only we lived in a world where all women had to worry about was money and overtime.

Perhaps educate yourself and you'd understand better.

For heaven's sake children are not an optional extra - they are a necessity. A fair and rational society takes them into account. If you don't want children be grateful others do.

many women arguably choose careers which accomodate motherhood (which us men obviously have the luxury of not doing for the most part).

Do women choose those careers or do they have those careers thrust upon them?

We don't make our choices in a vacuum. We make them based upon the opportunities available in the society we live in.

Somebody has to bear the impact of having children, and if it's not the parents then who is it?

Career-wise, though, it's not 'the parents', is it? It's mothers.

Of course having children is a choice! My point was that men vanishingly rarely have to make a choice between having children and having a successful career. They get to do both if they want to. (I am clearly talking about the whole experience of parenthood not 9 months of maternity leave.)

As to your situation, you should raise that with your employer. But how do you know your colleagues aren't doing a good job while at work and/or (like many of my friends) firing up the laptop at 8pm when the kids are in bed.

At the end of the day, overpopulated world or not, every country needs to produce some new people to keep it going. Your colleagues' kids are going to be the ones paying taxes to fund pensions and public services when you're retired. It's obviously not fair for the costs of raising the next generation to fall disproportionately on women.