Why should men support feminism?

Interestingly, one of the common MRA gripes you hear is that men don't have a choice, in that once a condom breaks and their girlfriend becomes pregnant they have no control over whether they are to be a father and be involuntarily committed to significant financial responsibilities which they may not have wanted.

Men do have a choice, they don't have to have PIV sex. They do have control over where their ejaculate ends up. It takes sperm to get a woman pregnant, or does every MRA think that 'every sperm is sacred'?

Assassinated - can’t women also choose to have a family with the man staying at home and prioritising child care? I understand that the gender pay gap works against this. But on the other hand the tax system incentivises both people part time working and men sometimes have a harder time getting flexible working.

Scott - Men who feel oppressed by society’s expectations should perhaps support feminism as feminists are theoretically less likely to think that the male should provide? Maybe some have the opinion that career should be placed ahead of stay at home parenting/hobbies/exercise for both sexes. It’s about finding someone who matches your priorities. Some women do want to know a guy’s salary, car and house before dating - i’m not sure they would make good partners though.

Hmm, you've posted all these points before Scott.

But on the whole girls are still doing better in education and the gap seems to be widening.

Why do you think that is?

Scott one issue that effects girls is period poverty. That is girls not attending school because they can’t afford sanity protection. This means they miss out on education. This happens in both developed and developing countries. What do you think men should do about it?

Good stuff. When are you going to start?

And think about the women who were killed in the First World War? Also think of the women who took up work that typically men did and did them very well.

You do understand that people are all different and change with different situations such as having children. Absolutely some women want to stay at home and some don't. Some want to work part time. Companies typically don't offer men flexibility when it comes to childcare. It often falls to women to take up the slack.

And you know what people can change their mind in relation to any of the scenarios mentioned above - it's called being human

Odfod.

Oh goodness. The longer you "debate" the more your contempt for women shows. You really don't like women much, do you, and you seem to really resent our existence.

Ok, so you don't really know why there's a pay gap, and it seems like you believe it's essentially because women choose it due to not wanting to prioritise their careers.

I don't think you've really tried to think about what people here are saying about that "choice" and the fact that men can also choose to have a family, whilst having someone at home who prioritises that family, whilst continuing their career.

It'sIt's ask rarely discussed that it's a very small % of men earning the very top salaries, which likely skews the figures.

www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---dgreports/---dcomm/---publ/documents/publication/wcms_650553.pdf

The ILO gender pay gap report analyses all aspect of the pay gap including structural vs discrimination 'unexplained' aspects of it. UK is looking most unequal in European developed economies, and the gap is not all structural (actually only small part of it is), i.e. it cannot entirely be explained by the type of jobs and working hours of women vs men. It shows that women in UK are paid less like for like. Female CEO paid less than male CEO, female middle earners are paid less than male middle earners and surprisingly female low skilled workers are paid less than male low skilled workers. There is significant gender pay gap in UK for hourly wages and monthly salaries, for part time and for full time work, for public and for private sector. Why is that?

most women don't prioritise competing with men as a primary life goal

Radical feminists have no interest in 'competing with men'. You're wholly misinterpreting what radical feminism is, and wholly over estimating their interest in and focus on men when they focus on that feminism. 'Competing' with men isn't a goal in any way, although that explains why you're resentful of 'feminists' as women getting out of their place.

We really need an eye roll emoticon.

My God, these 'instructive intellectual chats' are so bloody tedious.

One thing men forgot so often I almost everything they do is included in GDP figures. Where as a massive amount of that women do isn’t. theconversation.com/womens-unpaid-work-must-be-included-in-gdp-calculations-lessons-from-history-98110

This happens in developed countries too

I a man confused by this thread. People have observed the impact of a patriarchical society, seen that many women don’t fight it, and many seem happy with their lot and therefore ? Us feminists should go away?

How general your comments on. 'Most women' is a bit of a catch all statement don't you think?

It's so individual to a woman and her relationship as to how much she focuses
on work /home.

I've just had my second child and am fairly senior in my company. Have missed out on a couple of opportunities to get a good increase as was out on maternity leave. Some days I want to go to work and some days I don't. However I know long term being at home full time is not for me. Also I am the main earner.

If you understood how the patriarchal systems works - it was firstly set up my men. That's right - women where not at the party. Therefore it doesn't always work for women. Unfortunately a lot of women do and are expected to take a step back when children arrive. Sometimes this is positive and sometimes it is negative for them.

If it was a more equal system then it wouldn't be seen to be such a big deal to take time out to have babies.

You do know women couldn't always vote?? Think about that for a second. We were not allowed vote. Rape in a marriage was not against the law until not that long ago. So you see we are constantly trying to play catch up.

Many women I know earn more that their husbands or don't have any men in the household. They don't see this as a "competition" they're just doing what they want to do or are stuck with doing. I earn more than my husband, my SIL earns more than my brother who is a stay at home father.
Men and women are both capable of working in intellectually demanding jobs and child rearing.

Oh us foolish women priotising the health and well-being if the next generation. How silly we are to try to ensure the human race continues.

Honestly just stop being a a twat.