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Scottish sex offender prison official - Sunday Times story

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scepticalwoman · 02/12/2018 02:10

According to Andrew Gilligan, a senior Scottish prison official convicted of possessing 22,000 indecent images of children and now on the sex offenders' register was one of those responsible for introducing its “gender identity and gender reassignment policy” which places men in women's prisons according to their self identification.
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PositivelyPERF · 02/12/2018 10:52

I see you. And I will never forget
Now, there’s a slogan for a tee shirt that I’d love. A subtle warning to those in power, who are turning a blind eye to the threat to women and children, in their rush to defend men’s demands to women’s spaces. What about it Posie? Do you fancy doing another poster? 😉

Sorry to go off topic, but what a wonderful word, pusillanimous is. 😁

Spottycake · 02/12/2018 10:47

Has this gone into it’ll never happen yet?

arranbubonicplague · 02/12/2018 10:30

Maybe we need to ask why it is that so few women seem to experience "gender dysphoria"

It's at the other end of the age spectrum but ROGD is GD - and if it is intervention is permitted that makes it difficult to retransmission, there will be a generational cohort about to move through the system. I know there have been discussions about this but won't these trans men have a lower than average for men pattern of criminality or one that is equivalent?

arranbubonicplague · 02/12/2018 10:23

Kathleen Stock's analysis of the quality of evidence and experts that influenced the Maria Miller committee couldn't be more relevant.

Given what we know about the likely make-up of the relevant Stonewall policy panels and in the light of this news, there must be a moratorium on all policies drawn up when based on such advisors and their evidence.

It's unconscionable and it's wrong.

WrathofbubonicKlop · 02/12/2018 10:23

"I see you. And I will never forget"
Yes absolutely.

I want to know which MP's think this ideology is ok.
I will not be voting for anybody who publicly displays that level of ignorance.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/12/2018 10:10

What a surprise.

Another dodgy fucker who managed to
Influence policies to dismantle safe Guarding completeky turns out to be a paedo/pervert.

And we were told this never happens....

SophoclesTheFox · 02/12/2018 09:53

*could never, would never

SophoclesTheFox · 02/12/2018 09:53

Back when I first opened my eyes to what was going on, about five or so years ago, I pointed out to a friend that if we weren't extremely clear on maintaining the category of "woman" to mean exactly what it has always meant in relationship to official stats, such as offending and prison stats, then we would soon expect to see a sudden, apparently inexplicable spike in women offending, particularly around violent and sexual offences. He scoffed himself silly and said that could never, could never happen.

Oh, look.

HamiltonCork · 02/12/2018 09:49

I will not forget either.

Ereshkigal · 02/12/2018 09:48

I see you. And I will never forget.

Me neither.

RedToothBrush · 02/12/2018 09:44

Nicola Sturgeon was said to be 'alive' to the issue.

Well I guess that makes her a zombie then.

WrathofbubonicKlop · 02/12/2018 09:41

Nicola Sturgeon was said to be 'alive' to the issue.
A careful choice of words there.

Hope it means what I think it means.

LemonJello · 02/12/2018 09:28

James Morton was also co-author of the equality impact assessment of transgender policies within the Scottish Prison Service, which did not consider there to be any impact on women. Angry

RedToothBrush · 02/12/2018 09:20

Been expecting something like this tbh. Simply because safeguarding has disappeared and of course who was going to step into that void?

Unsurprising.

LangCleg · 02/12/2018 09:19

When this house of cards falls, which it will, watch all the pusillanimous politicians who were too afraid to speak pretend that they were on it from the get-go.

I see you. And I will never forget.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2018 09:15

More on this here (I haven't verified the accuracy)

scottish-women.com/2018/12/02/scottish-prison-service-policy-written-by-trans-lobby-group/

°There was an article in The Times Scotland about ‘Women are being put in danger because Scottish prison chiefs allow male-bodied transgender inmates to live in female-only areas of jails, campaigners have warned’ which stated –^

“Scottish Trans Alliance did not respond to a request for comment last night. However the org has previously defended the SPS policy”

I’m not surprised they have defended it previously considering the policy was written by their manager James Morton.

When you click on the policy to open it up in iBooks the Author is listed as James Morton.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2018 08:45

I'm finding it interesting that people like this are pushing the trans agenda, Pike pushing men in women's prisons, Challenor pushing for people to not be automatically kicked out of the greens if convicted...

HandsOffMyRights · 02/12/2018 08:35

Another piece of excellent journalism from Andrew.

Exactly how long are MPs going to bury their heads, even when confronted with the stark reality that gender identity is being used as a cover up for all kinds of deeply disturbing motives from prisons to schools?

ChewyLouie · 02/12/2018 08:33

Community punishment, this crap really shows the rotten system for what it is.

boatyardblues · 02/12/2018 08:31

Rapists

boatyardblues · 02/12/2018 08:30

In December 2016, Pike pleaded guilty at Paisley sheriff court to possessing the images over a 10-year period. He avoided jail after claiming he was given the material by an unidentified caller to the LGBT Centre in Glasgow, where he was co-chairman. He said he had not viewed the images, though he knew what they were. He was sentenced to community punishment.

What a pile of egregious horseshit! Angry On the other hand you have rapidts going off scot free because the testimony of young women is discounted as unreliable.

ChewyLouie · 02/12/2018 08:12

Bore you’re right, true colours finally being revealed and they’re not the sparkly, pretty rainbow they latched on to.
I’m going to show my naivety here, 1 in 2 does shock and horrify me. I didn’t think it was that high a figure. The state has sanctioned the abuse of women prisoners by perverts, and must now enforce a blanket ban of male prisoners being allowed into women’s prisons. I don’t give a fig about where they are as long as it’s nowhere that gives them access to vulnerable women in prison.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2018 08:02

Thank fuck for that.

LaPufalina · 02/12/2018 06:58

It's prominent on the app's front page, too.