DD made to feel uncomfortable in the ladies

Firstly, those who feel they would have no issue with this, that is fine. But the next step should not be to dismiss those who do. People are different.

OP I would recommend she make an anonymous complaint, so it is recorded but with no repercussion to her. It doesnt help on the ground but she should say something anonymously. Otherwise how will we know it was an issue.

Mr. "Why should I be a feminist"

I see you are on here to troll trans threads.

If a woman is happy to use public toilets and changing rooms alongside men, she is free to go into the men's facilities*. What she is not entitled to do is invite men into women's facilities. You have all been told NO. That is enough.

*I say free, but evidence shows the men involved would, quite rightly, vociferously object

And the argument always seems to be framed as men and trans people not respecting women's boundaries, but there's never a mention of the many women who seem be trans friendly.

In the recent debate was it not the female participants who were most vocal about the TWAW argument etc?

I'm not convinced by self ID, but there does seem to be a curious tendency on here to conflate the problematic TRA collective with the other transwomen who just want to go about their business without drama.

I'm not saying they should necessarily get unbridled access to women's spaces, but it's really disturbing to imagine a transwoman who perceives herself to be female, makes every effort to fit in and cause no trouble to the women around her, being photographed/exposed online, bullied by women who outnumber her, and physically intimidated by burly men. That's pretty reprehensible no matter where you stand.

Holstenlane
"I always think the bathroom thing is a bad way to highlight it. Make attendants clean the bathrooms just as much as female. The cubicle you're using is isolated and lockable. It's really a difficult one to argue. "

By that logic, transwomen should also not be uncomfortable in the men's loo...

Always the same. Every TRA ever brings up this argument: "it's just a bathroom" -> well, if it is, why are TW making such a fuss about not wanting to be in the men's.

"Dressed as a man"

So so so, looks like they know when male privilege will be beneficial.

Women do not have to justify why they don't want males in female-only spaces. If we don't want transwomxyn in loos, changing rooms, women's refuges, women's sport etc etc then they shouldn't be there. End of story.

Yes. I find the implicit condoning of transphobic attitudes and behaviour from men as a sex class extraordinary tbh.

It's never suggested that it's men who need to change their attitudes and behaviour towards non-gender stereotype conforming men.

It's actively permitting their collective transphobia.

Nicely argued, Materialist.

PJ is a bloke who thinks the answer to male violence is for women to have group sex in public, so may be coming at this from a different angle to some of the rest of us.

(posted by accident there)

in the family changing room there is a cubicle in the corner. If another dad with kids comes in, I (female) or he will opt for the cubicle, if another woman with kids comes in my male DP will also be discreet.

Also, the sauna in this same establishment is generally mixed, but has particular women-only or men-only nights as well, because obviously there is a demand for that.

Good for you legendary, why don’t you take your kit off and wander around if nudity doesn’t bother you - bit nippy mind.

I live in Germany. My local swimming pool has changing village cubicles, non segregated. The toilets and showers, however, are strictly segregated, because yes people mostly shower naked. They recently put up a big "Women only, no entry for men" sign on the poolside door to the showers and toilets. No sign on the door to the men's, there must not have been a problem with anyone trying to intrude there
We usually go in a family changing room

LegendaryPJ by your logic we should just have mixed changing rooms- including men who are not trans. Do you see a potential problem with that maybe? Ludicrous. Not going to engage any further with someone so blind to the issues.

Is it the patriarchy pushing the idea of allowing transwomen into women's changing rooms?

It's actually the government.

First, transwomen may fall victim to violence if they used the men's changing rooms.

Why? Are men violent or something? Towards gender non-conforming men? Why is this anything to do with women?

Second, it's just nudity; there's nothing offensive about a naked body, male or female.

Which sex rapes? Which sex is more likely to be raped? Which sex is more likely to indulge in voyeurism? Or exhibitionism involving their penis?

Third point, there is no evidence that these transwomen have assaulted other women.

Do we have to wait for them to do this before we can exclude them? Do we have to do the same with each individual man, too?

Presumably, the fact that there are so few transwomen means they're probably well known to the university, and clearly there's been no complaints about sexual assault, otherwise they would be barred from the changing room.

Lots of presumptions and assumptions there. I'd never assume anyone knew anything unless I knew they had been told.

In Germany, people don't bat an eye at nudity.

I've been to Germany. I don't remember seeing anyone walking around the streets naked.

No, the bottom line is that women in Britain - adult female humans, female-bodied - DO NOT FEEL SAFE near men.

Men keep blaming us for that. Yet every time we look at the news, there's another story about women and children being victims of men, and frequently it's associated with how the law is going to let them get away with it too.

Don't bother repeating the rubbish about how Britain is a liberal society. It's not going to magically come true just by repeating it ad nauseam. Women know just how liberal it is: just how unsafe we are walking through the streets.

LegendaryPJ do you know who Karen White is?

Welcome to Patriarchy 2, same as Patriarchy 1. Women do what men tell them to do or face the consequences.

That's a bizarre comment. Is it the patriarchy pushing the idea of allowing transwomen into women's changing rooms?

Personally though, I don't see a problem with this. First, transwomen may fall victim to violence if they used the men's changing rooms. Second, it's just nudity; there's nothing offensive about a naked body, male or female. Third point, there is no evidence that these transwomen have assaulted other women. Presumably, the fact that there are so few transwomen means they're probably well known to the university, and clearly there's been no complaints about sexual assault, otherwise they would be barred from the changing room.

The only reason why this is shocking is because the UK is still a fairly prudish country. In Germany, people don't bat an eye at nudity. It's important though to be accepting of differences, especially in a liberal society like ours.

There’s literally nothing dd can do is there?

Nope. She cannot do anything. If she protests, then she will be labelled a "bigot". If the lovelies at Goldsmith's could, they would send her to a gulag for re-education.

Welcome to Patriarchy 2, same as Patriarchy 1. Women do what men tell them to do or face the consequences.

Sorry X posted with Beka, that was to RiverTam who decided to randomly go off on one about me saying I wouldn't at and chunter about TRA tactics.