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Nice thread with lovely wishes for transpeople

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interestingdebatetoday · 01/12/2018 21:54

Can we have a thread where we just say nice things we wish for transpeople by gender critical feminists? We are always framed as horrible bigots when actually a lot of concerns stem from a place of being caring maternal women.

So actually what do we think? Rather than what they (TRA's I mean, I know there are a few GC TW who understand our motives are not transphobia or bigotry) say we think because we are trying to keep our own rights

I'll start with a few of my own thoughts:

  • I wish for transpeople to be comfortable in their bodies, I feel gender dysphoria must be incredibly difficult to live with and I hope that they find support available to help them and aren't stuck with waiting lists that last years or fobbed off with ten mins when they do want support

  • I wish for transpeople to have safe access to drugs they may need that have a decent safety rate and have been tested for long enough that they aren't being human ginea pigs or suffering horrific side effects

  • I wish for transpeople to have safe spaces for transpeople in prisons, shelters etc

  • I wish for transpeople not to be unable to enjoy sex as a side effect of drugs or surgery

... I'm hoping that this will continue in a nice way... and perhaps the debates can stay on other threads so it is absolutely clear that we don't hate transpeople, we would just like to keep our own rights but we are actually pretty thoughtful and concerned in some of our arguments for fellow human beings

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Etino · 01/12/2018 22:08

Trans rights are human rights. Doesn’t mean that mtf transsexuals are women and can access women’s prisons or that sex as a protected characteristic shouldn’t be defended.

Absentwomen · 01/12/2018 22:06

What Maisypops said.

MaisyPops · 01/12/2018 22:04

I wish for transpeople to have access to safe spaces and appropriate support as I can't imagine what experiencing gender dysphoria would be like.

I wish for transpeople to end up in a place where their very real struggles aren't continuously being capitalised by a loud group of TRAs as I worry very real struggles and issues might be missed or hidden.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 01/12/2018 22:03

Trans rights are human rights.

I don't think any decent person could disagree with that statement, especially feminists who understand how important human rights are to vulnerable people.

Moominfan · 01/12/2018 22:01

It's a lovely idea op. I have no ill will towards trans people. I just don't agree with trans ideology.

I hope trans people can come to terms with their objective realities

I hope they are surrounded by support

McTufty · 01/12/2018 22:00

Great idea. The notion that those who think sometimes it is biological sex that is relevant rather than gender somehow have a problem with or hate trans people is mendacious and harmful.

I wish for every trans person telling their family their identity to have nothing but love and support from them.

FissionChips · 01/12/2018 21:59

I wish those things for all people .

IstanbulConstan · 01/12/2018 21:58

I hope everybody on this earth has a pleasant Christmas this year. I won't pick out any group in particular because we a recall of equal value.

interestingdebatetoday · 01/12/2018 21:57

Bloody hell I wasn't trying to bold anything - sorry it's hard to read!

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