Nice thread with lovely wishes for transpeople

No idea sackrifice

We seem to be going backwards:

1980s: gender bending at its peak. Glamrock through to post punk youth wore whatever took their fancy and gay, straight or bi, you fancied whomever you liked, dressed in whatever took your fancy.

1990s: Manbags and guyliner, not a woman's dress my dress - men started claiming the trappings of woman for themselves. Labelling feminine articles a man things. Metrosexual Man was king!

2010s: Men now want to colonise all of 'woman', to own 'womanhood', being female is being positioned as hate crime. Transnonbinarymultiplygendered is in ascendance.

2030s: People wake up and wonder what the fuck just happened and wish for Bobby Ewing's shower scene / The Tardis to be real!

Is this the feminist gender critical version of 'wifework'?

I don't wish anyone harm, but why must 'we' centre trans people in EVERYTHING?

Being 'extra special nice' to people who want to take a spiked baseball bat to our faces? That is a 'no' from me. Thanks.

I wish trans people would wake up to what is happening to women and children in their name.
I wish trans people would start to see women’s rights as human rights, there isn’t much of that going on at the moment.
I wish trans people would stop trying to brainwash everyone else. Sympathy in bucketloads for having to navigate the world whilst living with gender dysphoria but you cannot change sex and trample over sex based rights. That’s about as nice as I can muster today.

I wish people could dress how they want without social stereotypes telling them they are wrong. If as an adult you want to operate on your body, that’s ok. Children shouldn’t have any medical intervention at all. Men do not need access to women only spaces and I shouldn’t be forced to lie about biology.

As LangCleg said.

A couple of years ago I may have joined in with the niceness, but the intervening time has done much to remind me that I am bound as much by my socialisation as I am by the rest of social stereotypes.

I refuse to continually attempt to justify myself based on my not being 'nice' because I don't believe women have willlies!

We gender critical women have to qualify every single statement we make on this issue by opening with 'trans people deserve to be respected and live lives free from discrimination' etc and we're still met with death threats! However well-intentioned, this thread is playing along with the TRA agenda - by constantly making us answer to accusations of transphobia and other emotional blackmail in an attempt to silence us and as a distraction from the issues surrounding women's rights that we need to discuss. Sorry, but I've had enough, my respect for human rights for all goes without saying, it shouldn't be questioned simply because I wish to preserve the rights of women.

*I wish for children not to be pushed into accepting one or other set of stereotypes so that they feel they have to be trans.

*I wish for young girls/women not to feel that being female is made so unbearable for them that they have to identify out of it.

I wish for excellent and thorough research that leads to a variety of approaches for resolving gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia, including non medical resolution.

My lovely wishes for trans people are:
1- I wish you would stop preying on the bodies of (our gender non-conforming) children.
2- I wish you would deny rapists support to self-id out of the correct incarceration facilities.
3- I wish more of you would rally around women who are being no platformed and silenced.
4- I wish you realise more quickly than you have, that women have faced down centuries of misogyny to secure our rights and we are not giving them up for a handful of well placed pharma backed trans-activists.

I'll never agree with self id though.

I worry for the teenage girls stating they want to be male. I worry nobody is looking out for them as a society.

Third spaces - I don't have an issue with. Men in women's spaces? Absolutely not.

So, this is basically a thread where we copy paste all those similar sounding intros to our posts about ‚everybody should dress as they want and live free without discrimination....‘ that crowd all the other Threads?

I wish any transperson success, acceptance and a life free of negative discrimination, a fulfilling life and good relationships.

I hope everyone understands that the reason why feminists seem "obsessed" with trans certainly in recent years, and more so since the GRA reforms, is because
Transmen are a feminist issue seeing as they are female, and transwomen are a feminist issue because they want to join women's space which changes our space.

It's not hate to discuss issues that effect women. No one of us wish harm on transpeople.

We do however need to define women on women's terms, not other people's terms. So I also hope trans people can come to terms with that without issuing death and rape threats and calling me all the names under the sun, and that we can eventual come to some sort of compromise wrt same sex spaces.

I'm with you, Trucking.

Trans rights are human rights - I don't want trans people erased, far from it, I want everyone to be happy and able to express themselves as they choose.. Hear, hear.

If we were wanting magic Christmas wishes: I'd want self ID to disappear and for us all (trans and GC feminist) to focus on destroying the stereotypes and structures, that disadvantage both groups.

No, Misc, it's not but I'll direct it where I see fit, if that's ok with you.

With you Lang as ever 💪

My capacity for empathy and sympathy is not limited. I do not, however, respond well to appeals to female socialisation on a feminist board. Like I say, I'll wait until I see some emotional labour coming my way and then I'll reconsider.

Trucking, is your capacity for concern limited, then? Most people can manage to be concerned for more than one category of people at a time.

I honestly hope that young gender questioning adolescents get the support they deserve. I hope that CAMHS and GIDS offer more support than affirmation and medical intervention.
I hope that anyone with gender dysphoria receives support and love where they need it.
I hope that can be separated from cross dressers and fetishists whom I hope and wish would keep their cosplay private.

I'll spare my lovely thoughts and concern for actual women. The ones being raped, abused, paid less than their male counterparts, being overlooked for jobs, the ones being treated like domestic appliances, discriminated against because of their biology, being subjected to FGM, trafficked and harassed in the street.

the calm existence that is mine when I am worthy of myself

What a beautiful phrase, ursula.

Until they clean out their house, I'm not interested in 'niceties' anymore ¯\(ツ)/¯

I want trans people to be safe and well and free from discrimination, just like everyone else should also be. Like women also want to be.

I would like to see an end to gender stereotypes, which in themselves cause confusion and dysphoria to young people who feel they don’t fit, or recoil at the expectations placed on their sex.

I would like to see an end to male violence which is the common factor driving trans women to refuge in women’s spaces and women needing to protect these spaces.

But most of all, I wish that trans people would see that the enemy is not feminists, but the demands of the TRAs who claim to speak for all trans people and whose demands are irrational and unreasonable. I’ve noticed on Twitter lately a growing TransRational voice, I think the pendulum might just be starting to swing the other way.

I wish trans people have access to evidenced based medicine and support.

but my self-respect knows that my support for other people's human rights is not diminished by their lack of support for mine
I agree.
I think for many feminists on here, there is zero issue with transpeople and a lot of issues with the TRA agenda.

It's nice to have a thread to highlight the difference.