Nice thread with lovely wishes for transpeople

See you later alligator.

I wish for the concept of self id gender to be seriously challenged and pulled apart so that transsexuals with sex dysphoria can retain their status and protections without having them destroyed by the transgender umbrella

I wish for young women who think they are boys or 'not girls' because they reject feminine stereotypes and fear sex based oppression to get awakened to feminism and start to take pride in being women and find their sisterhood

I wish for narcissistic young men who identify as women to gain some perspective and some useful things to occupy their attention and focus

1. It is an open forum

1. You asked a question

1. You now don't want any voices of dissent

1. You did post in FWR

This one clearly was not for your particular voice Is telling us who you will/won't accept. #nodebate

This one clearly was not for your particular voice

Who gets to decide that?

It's a forum, dear. You can't control what gets posted. Any more than we can stop TRAs coming here for disruption purposes. It is what it is. You asked for emotional labour from women. Some women took issue with you doing that. You moaning about it won't change any minds.

If YOU disagree with the thread, YOU are not being asked to comment on it. Nobody is hounding you down saying make sure you put your nice comment in
Yes, but this is an open forum, if we have a criticism of the thread we are also free to post it.
What is not fair is you telling other women to shut up if they wish to speak or do want to contribute and suggesting that commenting nicely harms feminists
Again, it's an open forum, you can comment as you wish, others are free to engage critically also.

If YOU disagree with the thread, YOU are not being asked to comment on it

Now who is telling who to shut up?

What is not fair is you telling other women to shut up

Oh, get a grip FFS. Nobody's told you, or anyone else, to shut up. You started a thread. People responded. You didn't like all the responses. C'est la vie.

• apologies for the errant 'o' in there

If YOU disagree with the thread, YOU are not being asked to comment on it But you asked if we could have a thread too just say nice things and are being told no, by some posters.

And you are now telling those posters not to answer... which is the same as "shut up some women"

Why does it bother you so much that some posters see being asked to 'play nice' as being asked to play up to gender stereotypes and therefore is, in itself, a harmful thing?

Nobody has been asked for female emotional labour But you did!

Can we have a thread where we just say nice things we wish for transpeople by gender critical feminists? We are always framed as horrible bigots when actually a lot of concerns stem from a place of being caring maternal women. What does that mean if not "Women, come and say something pleasant for trans people so other people will realise we are just being mothering.

Deeply unpleasant - especially for those of us who are not mothers and/or have no maternal thoughts about any trans individual!

As deepwater said, plenty of trans posters seem to survive exchanges of posts with other posters here.

We are always framed as horrible bigots when actually a lot of concerns stem from a place of being caring maternal women.

That's a very sexist perspective, OP. I'm concerned about so-called trans children, yes, but my opposition to trans ideology comes from hard edged realism not some wafty maternal essence. A lot of my views have their basis in what is known about male violence.

OP not IP! Jesus.

You know, IP, interestingly the regular posters on here who are trans and who engage in rational and respectful dialogue, seem to get it that we're not horrible bigots. I wonder why that is.

Trans people are benefiting from the TRA ideology. Very few trans people are standing alongside women - where is the trans movement that recognises sex based rights? Where is the trans group telling children they deserve a childhood free of adult agendas- dress how you want want, play with you want, you don’t need a label?
When I see my rights as a woman being destroyed because trans people have placed themselves above women as a group, then I don’t have much compassion left.

"A lot seem to think the title was "nice thread with lovely wishes for trans idealogy"

It wasn't - it was transPEOPLE "

The point still remains that we're being asked to prove that we're nice and defend ourselves in the face of a tireless smear campaign by TRAs: it's hardly the first time we've been asked to do this, to emotional blackmail is constant. It's a bit like being told to smile while you're being punched in the face. You can choose to go along with the narcissistic abuse if you wish, don't be surprised if others won't.

Mate, you started a thread asking for female emotional labour. You were never going to get all positive replies regardless of whether that emotional labour was to be performed for trans people or something else. What did you expect? It's a feminist board!

This is patronising. Most of the GC people on these boards wish trans people no ill at all.

Trans ideology is homophobic and misogynist to its core. I see no point in wishing the movement well when I know that anything less than slavish adherence to the mantra that TWAW results in accusations of transphobia from TRAs.

There is no middle ground. If you do not - and cannot - agree that transwomen must automatically be entitled to access all women only spaces you are considered an enemy. There are transwomen who don't think so - Miranda Yardley is one - but from what I see they're very much a minority.

It goes without saying that no one should be denied access to housing or medical care. It goes without saying that everyone should be safe.

I'm not so sure about employment as that depends very much on how an individual presents themselves. There are some bizarre looking middle aged transwomen. I won't attach any images because it would be unkind but I imagine most people will have seen examples. Fifty plus transwomen wearing pigtails and lace edged ankle socks, for instance.

I see it as being a bit like people who choose to have facial tattoos. If you make decisions that mean few employers are going to want you in a forward facing role then you can't be surprised if your job opportunities are affected.

Or did I just notice a conspiracy...