Toby Young on Trans - preference falsification

Exactly that. That is why there’s no public outcry. It’s so ridiculous people think it’s something made up by the far right and it’s not actually happening.

If I'm honest, I spent at least a year getting emails from a friend warning me about all this and responding by telling them not to be such a drama lama and it was only some stupid student politics that would blow over.

NothingOnTellyAgain said

"toby young is an absolute twat.

just had to get that out of my system!"

Yes, but for now he's your absolute twat.

Compare what he saying to what your political hero's, you know , the ones youve held in esteem are currently saying on all this.

Hard to present yourself as a ‘working class hero’ when your name sounds like the captain of David Cameron’s Quidditch team.

Hahahahaha thanks for clearing that up!

Oh. Nice. Still confused about why

Hard to present yourself as a ‘working class hero’ when your name sounds like the captain of David Cameron’s Quidditch team.

Indeed, and I'd add that it's also because some TRA positions are so absurd, and the things they're demanding in terms of policy changes so clearly dangerous, that a lot of people are convinced that either nobody is really taking those positions/demanding those changes, or if they are they represent some sort of lunatic fringe that won't be listened to by anyone important.

Exactly that. That is why there’s no public outcry. It’s so ridiculous people think it’s something made up by the far right and it’s not actually happening.

It’s why the petition signatures are clustered around ‘woke’ areas. People are only waking up once they’re being forced to by encountering the real life effects of this insanity.

He took the name of a football hooligan hero of his.

Oh. Nice. Still confused about why

Can I go off on a tangent here? What is the deal with him calling himself Tommy Robinson if that’s not actually his name? What’s that all about?

He took the name of a football hooligan hero of his.

The guy who wrote an article about how he dressed up as a lesbian, to hit on Lesbians!

The man’s a trendsetter!

Pretty much. I wish I'd recorded my first attempt to explain the concept of ladypenis to a relative, they were convinced I must be taking the piss.

"But nobody actually believes that."

"But they do, Auntie Whatsit, honest."

"But that's stupid"

"I know!"

"But surely nobody actually believes it, though."

Indeed, and I'd add that it's also because some TRA positions are so absurd, and the things they're demanding in terms of policy changes so clearly dangerous, that a lot of people are convinced that either nobody is really taking those positions/demanding those changes, or if they are they represent some sort of lunatic fringe that won't be listened to by anyone important.

This. I think if you live in a non-woke area, as I do, that's what everyone thinks. They scoff, it's so ludicrous.

I think it’s because the Trans arguments are so utterly preposterous that most people struggle to agree with them.

Indeed, and I'd add that it's also because some TRA positions are so absurd, and the things they're demanding in terms of policy changes so clearly dangerous, that a lot of people are convinced that either nobody is really taking those positions/demanding those changes, or if they are they represent some sort of lunatic fringe that won't be listened to by anyone important.

Problem is, that "lunatic fringe" represents the only people who the government etc are listening to.

Can I go off on a tangent here? What is the deal with him calling himself Tommy Robinson if that’s not actually his name? What’s that all about?

Now I have a visual to go with the ear worm!

As an antidote, this made me laugh - its a reply to Arielle Scarcella’s recent youtube video. Poor Arielle!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKvr4VGDlI

Is he Trans now?!

Yaxley-Lennon coming out as trans is something I would pay to see.

Still, these rules are confusing, aren't they - surely if deadnaming is bad in relation to trans people, it's bad in relation to everyone?

Is he Trans now?!

Tanith: "I do wish that Mr. Yaxley-Wotsit didn’t keep calling himself Tommy Robinson".

Tut tut. Are you deadnaming Tommy Robinson? Didn't you know that was LITERAL VIOLENCE?

The censorship by left wing websites as well on any gender critical comments that are made on trans articles also gives the impression that it is a minority view. People are being tricked into submission.

LibDem Newswire does that and it's infuriating. To my knowledge The Times doesn't, judging by the large numbers of gender-critical comments under its regular articles on trans issues and the number of recommendations they get. Too often The Guardian doesn't even allow comments under articles on this subject, so I've yet to be censored by them.

“The issue of transgenderism is leading to some very strange bedfellows.”

I think it’s because the Trans arguments are so utterly preposterous that most people struggle to agree with them.

I believe the Earth is round - so does Steven Yaxley-whaeverhisnameis.
I believe the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening without the need of human sacrifice.
So does Katie Hopkins.
If I like an article they may write on these subjects, I may agree with it but it doesn’t change my opinion of them.

Incidentally, I do wish that Mr. Yaxley-Wotsit didn’t keep calling himself Tommy Robinson: I’m old enough to remember the Tom Robinson Band and it’s very confusing!

“The issue of transgenderism is leading to some very strange bedfellows. “

But this is exactly what is explained in his article.

The natural ally of the feminist, the liberal, probably lefty, equality minded person is the person with most to lose, reputation-wise, compared to a pithy take no prisoners right winger or libertarian.

There needs to be a linking up of all those who doubt but do not say.

It is no accident that the majority of backbenchers on tne references list are women. We know what happens to women at the hands of TRAs. It is exactly how it works.

If Shahjar Ali can have the courage of his convictions maybe others in other parties can join.

Until then, the only voices we will hear with regularity are the likes of Toby Young.

And surely free debate means free debate for all based on what they say. Not silencing people based on who they are.

I wonder if it extends beyond TRAs? If people on The Guardian and The Times can't see gender critical comments because they're moderated out, it reinforces the bizarre notion that 2nd Wave Feminism is out of date and nobody refers to it any longer.

Yes it definitely does, and it also stops you from being able to point out that it's not a fringe belief, most people don't think males are women.

What Materialist said.
The article isn't that good, the first paragraph calls one lone MP speaking out against a load of twaddle about souls 'a debate', and the last paragraph is untruthful.

The concept of 'preference falsification' is interesting and worth a discussion.

That's why the TRAs in their filter bubble can maintain their delusion that everyone agrees with them except a few radical feminists.

I wonder if it extends beyond TRAs? If people on The Guardian and The Times can't see gender critical comments because they're moderated out, it reinforces the bizarre notion that 2nd Wave Feminism is out of date and nobody refers to it any longer.

And, if more and more media outlets start using the linguistic preferences that are compelled (unless you're on Talk Radio with JHB) and it is done without challenge or explanation then it becomes the norm. I'm so accustomed to MN rules that it comes as a shock when I read something that doesn't use them...

Ah, right, thanks.