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Uni of Hull to name building after Jenni Murray. You can probably guess the rest

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SunsetBeetch · 30/11/2018 22:08

"@UniOfHull As a Trans student, can I ask why I'll soon be forced to attend lectures in a theatre named after somone who doesn't believe I am a woman???? "

"Just heard @UniOfHull, the Uni I study at and love, may name a building after somebody who has been condemned by many trans people as transphobic.

This could be a big mistake and I’d urge they reconsider.

Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
Trans rights are human rights. "

Buckle up - here we go again!

Uni of Hull to name building after Jenni Murray. You can probably guess the rest
Uni of Hull to name building after Jenni Murray. You can probably guess the rest
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Godloveseveryone1 · 01/12/2018 16:59

I’m a female myself so please enlighten me on how can I hate women when I am one?? I want the best for everyone not just women. I think true feminism of equality has been lost in a radicalised society where all men should be abolished and even when embracing their feminine desires.
PSA if you are upset by me accusing you of hate it’s because you probably are.

PositivelyPERF · 01/12/2018 16:51

*admythaf = admitted that

PositivelyPERF · 01/12/2018 16:50

but I cannot be accused of hate like every single one of you. Actually, just admythaf you don’t think people can change sex is considered hate, the difference is, we aren’t using religion to cower behind. You take about posters ‘hiding’ behind their computers, while you hide behind religion. You haven’t told your friend that you don’t believe that they can change sex, because you’re too scared to acknowledge your hypocrisy. Do you nod along when they say they are a woman? You’re lying by omission and that’s a cowardly sin.

HestiaParthenos · 01/12/2018 16:31

All the buildings named after racists, misogynists, anti semites, that's all fine apparently. Can't have anything named after an assertive, independently thinking woman, though

Well, that's patriarchy. I am not even surprised anymore, sadly.

HestiaParthenos · 01/12/2018 16:29

... and I think god would also see how your silencing of women who speak out against males in women's prisons, would have contributed to enabling those rapists.

I don't know, if I was religious, I'd think a lot harder about the potential consequences of my actions.

But I guess you are a Christian and Jesus died so you can go to heaven even though you knowingly contributed to a way of thinking that ultimately ends up harming women so massively.

I sometimes wonder if Jesus regrets his sacrifice, seeing as some people use it just as a "Get free out of hell" card and behave much worse than they'd dare to, otherwise.

Ah, but I forget, Christian religion is patriarchal and doesn't care about women ...

Well, what about the husbands of those women who now are victims to voyeurism, sexual harassment and rape in spaces where males used to not be allowed? How do you think they feel when their wife isn't pure anymore?

What about the fathers whose virginal daughters are raped, depriving them of their valuable property?

Don't you at least feel bad for them?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/12/2018 16:29

'I cannot be accused of hate like every single one of you.'

I hereby accuse you of hate. You are coming across as a misogynist, which is Greek for someone who hates women.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/12/2018 16:28

I love Philip Larkin but the IRONY of someone thinking it's more of a problem for the lecture theatre to be named after Jenni Murray due to her supposed 'hate' than for an entire building to be named after Larkin Shock

It's almost as if there is a MASSIVE STINKING DOUBLE STANDARD, isn't it?

All the buildings named after racists, misogynists, anti semites, that's all fine apparently. Can't have anything named after an assertive, independently thinking woman, though.

BettyDuMonde · 01/12/2018 16:25

My knickers are a bollock free zone.

HestiaParthenos · 01/12/2018 16:23

I cannot be accused of hate like every single one of you.

Except that apparently you hate us enough to want to silence us all the while males carry their penises into spaces where we want to have privacy?

You may feel morally superior because the job of physically harming us is done by others and you don't have to get your hands dirty and not really have any more negative feelings towards us than a massive lack of respect and empathy in order for you to harm us massively with your vote and talking and actions ...

But don't you think your god is going to see through the lies to tell to yourself?

Just asking, most religious people tell me god knows everything. I'd figure he'd also see how women are raped in the prison showers they are forced to share with males.

HestiaParthenos · 01/12/2018 16:19

We don't have bollocks, dear. That's, you know, rather the point.

I love your sense of humour. Very to the point.

VickyEadie · 01/12/2018 16:17

I cannot be accused of hate like every single one of you.

"Hate", though...

Love, we've been repeatedly told to 'die in a fire' by TRAs (as well as being threatened with rape, others sorts of violence, etc), so us saying we think a man who reckons he's a woman shouldn't get upset about a lecture theatre being named after a woman doesn't even register on our radar as "hate".

HestiaParthenos · 01/12/2018 16:17

I do not agree with men can be women and vice versa. I think the point here is that you don’t need to outwardly say it,

No woman publicly said that transwomen aren't women before they started to demand access to our showers, changing rooms and toilets, and to be put in women's prisons, places where women want privacy and/or are in need of safety from males.

It was transactivists who forced us to say, again, again and again, that males are not women.

Back when there was only some transsexuals and they only used women's facilities if they could pass as women, no one felt a need to point out that they aren't actual, real women.

That's only changed because nowadays, transgender males, most of whom still have their penis and intend to keep it, want access for themselves and their penises to womens spaces.

NeurotrashWarrior · 01/12/2018 16:17

Ha a VERY rad fem gender critical relative's partner works quite high up at Hull...

LangCleg · 01/12/2018 16:09

Because you are protected by your computer you suddenly have football-sized bollocks.

We don't have bollocks, dear. That's, you know, rather the point.

DeRigueurMortis · 01/12/2018 16:07

Interesting how many supportive comments are from men, who presumably have never considered how many women work daily in buildings named after misogynists yet are keen to step in to support a fellow male from being "traumatised" by naming a building after a women who has a firm grasp of biological fact.

Godloveseveryone1 · 01/12/2018 16:05

I do realise I would be considered a transphobe but I cannot be accused of hate like every single one of you. I know this person well and I know for a fact if you met them you would not say these things. Because you are protected by your computer you suddenly have football-sized bollocks. My point simply here is that there are bigger topics of outrage, not an upset student.

LemonJello · 01/12/2018 15:56

If your minds were wider and not focused on hate you would be able to see this.

😘 You will be rewarded in feminist heaven for your work.

PositivelyPERF · 01/12/2018 15:56

That comment was to Godloveseveryone1

PositivelyPERF · 01/12/2018 15:55

I do not agree with men can be women and vice versa.

You do realise that the person you’re defending will now consider you a ‘transphobe’ and that you have committed violence against them, by that comment, don’t you? BTW, since you’ve just said that people can’t change sex, then you’re denying their existence. Welcome to the club. 💐

donajimena · 01/12/2018 15:52

The Twitter comments are fantastic

BettyDuMonde · 01/12/2018 15:43

LemenJello 😂

Godloveseveryone1 · 01/12/2018 15:43

I do not agree with men can be women and vice versa. I think the point here is that you don’t need to outwardly say it, you are all adults with children and families and you are picking on a student who has brought an important topic to the forefront - a person who has outwardly shown hate towards a particular group of people will soon have a legacy at the university. If your minds were wider and not focused on hate you would be able to see this.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 01/12/2018 15:40

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VickyEadie · 01/12/2018 15:38

Of course she has also highlighted women's issues such as breast cancer, post natal depression,the menopause, pmt , pregnancy and other women's issues that some people purporting to live their life as women have absolutely no use for or interest in whatsoever...... Maybe that's the problem.

Yep.

viques · 01/12/2018 15:33

What a great choice, Jenni Murray's journalism has done so much over many years to support women, she has brought to wider discussion and understanding issues about work, domestic violence, pay inequality, pension rights, all the things that anyone living their life as a woman should be aware of and grateful for.

Of course she has also highlighted women's issues such as breast cancer, post natal depression,the menopause, pmt , pregnancy and other women's issues that some people purporting to live their life as women have absolutely no use for or interest in whatsoever...... Maybe that's the problem.