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Is the tide turning? Lots on Twitter today

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Fizzingwithdisbelief · 30/11/2018 12:06

twitter.com/Sofocleous_A/status/1056874851015761920

twitter.com/christianorguk/status/1068432381449854976

First one is an apology from Durham SU to the HUmanist who retweeted the Spectator article (yes that one!)

Second is SNP politicians kicking back

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DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 01/12/2018 16:04

Yeah, the second dog story pinged false to me, too.

hackmum · 01/12/2018 09:41

I also doubt the veracity of the second dog story. Too good to be true.

It reminded me of White Dog too - I actually saw that film when it came out!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/12/2018 09:17

I wonder if they’d consider sending the dog to a gulag for better re-training

PineappleSunrise · 01/12/2018 09:14

I've had a look at that Reddit thread. I am gently bemused by what seems to be the emerging TRA consensus, which is that the dog is NOT reacting to the wife's natal sex, but to the "fact" that she is must just be a terrible dog handler with awful training techniques. (Based on no info other than the dog's reaction, of course.)

I probably shouldn't be surprised, but isn't it interesting that it's more acceptable to be told that you've screwed up (ie how you trained/handled the dog), rather than that the dog doesn't recognise your non-physical identity.

arranbubonicplague · 01/12/2018 09:05

That dog story is remarkably similar to the 1982 film White Dog :

The film depicts the struggle of a dog trainer named Keys (Paul Winfield), who is black, trying to retrain a stray dog found by a young actress (Kristy McNichol), that is a "white dog"—a dog trained to make vicious attacks upon, and to kill, any black person. Fuller uses the film as a platform to deliver an anti-racist message as it examines the question of whether racism is a treatable problem or an incurable condition.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Dog

boatyardblues · 01/12/2018 09:05

I'm not buying that second twitter dog story..... I agree with a PP that we're looking at a classic example of Poe's Law here).

Seconded

FermatsTheorem · 01/12/2018 08:58

I'm not buying that second twitter dog story. The implausibility of the set up (doctrinaire "Action on Trans Health" level of TRA nuttiness happens to be hanging out at dig obedience training at a field somewhere in the country) plus the level of gratuitous but convenient detail (I've trained K9 dogs in the past) just screams troll at me (though I agree with a PP that we're looking at a classic example of Poe's Law here).

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/12/2018 08:44

That Mermaids statement has to be a misquote. I'm guessing the words 'the drugs' and 'puberty' have been mixed up.

I thought the same, unless they've decided on a radical change of direction...

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 01/12/2018 08:38

The transphobic dog is just ... well, I don't know, I have no words.

hackmum · 01/12/2018 08:03

Just looked at the Reddit thread. Apparently they’ve deleted all the “transphobic” comments. By which I suppose they mean the ones that are based in reality or common sense.

Thingybob · 01/12/2018 01:33

That Mermaids statement has to be a misquote. I'm guessing the words 'the drugs' and 'puberty' have been mixed up.

AgnesBadenPowell · 01/12/2018 01:20

Also interesting that there's still no word on the CEO. The last one left in June. GG was recruiting externally - they even placed an ad (via their recruitment agent) in the Sunday times executive appointments website Grin

The deadline for applications was mid October. If they don't announce anything soon I'll assume they can't find anyone. Maybe I should apply?

AgnesBadenPowell · 01/12/2018 01:17

@PeachCokeZero that's very interesting. Since the updated trans policy was posted on the website two weeks ago, there appears to be new email address and contact numbers specifically to take enquiries in this issue. I assumed they'd recruited a new team to manage this - naturally they won't tell me.

Of course, they could put that money into funding a proper review and conducting thorough research, risk and impact assessments. Maybe even ask a few parents or girls how they feel. We know 86% of girls in GG believe that no one should be discriminated against for being trans - and I think we'd all agree. But it's a bit of a reach to then say 86% of girls are fine sleeping next to or changing in front of a person with a penis.

OldCrone · 01/12/2018 00:43

From the Mail article linked by IstanbulConstan about children buying puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones online.

Mermaids, a charity supporting transgender children, said the drugs ‘can subject a young person to distressing bodily changes that can lead to an increased risk of anxiety, depression, self-harm and suicidal ideas’.

That's a new line for Mermaids to take. Unless they've been misquoted, in which case it would be difficult for them to correct it without it looking as though they support children buying these drugs online.

Also a quote from the Tavistock mentioning detransition.

‘It is incredibly dangerous to buy these online,’ said the spokesperson, who pointed out that many young people later change their mind about changing sex. ‘By getting drugs off the internet, adolescents may start on a path they don’t want to tread later on.’

bluescreen · 01/12/2018 00:33

That bigoted dog... is it a poe? How could we possibly tell?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 30/11/2018 23:50

No amount of "pro trans" will be enough, because, as I understand it, deep down changing sex is Impossible, the goal is unobtainable. Disphoria will mean there will always be something that separates trans from the sex they wish to be.

Which is why counseling is a very important thing to have, as it can help keep things in focus.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 30/11/2018 23:19

This is the second part of that story.

Is the tide turning? Lots on Twitter today
stealthsquirrelnutkin · 30/11/2018 23:19

I downloaded these two screenshots from the twitter thread that mentioned the invalidating dog that couldn't discern a transwoman's new identity.

Is the tide turning? Lots on Twitter today
AngryAttackKittens · 30/11/2018 20:25

"So little pro trans material"? Unless every media outlet guaranteed that trans news would be their front page story every single day I'm not sure how much more pro trans coverage it would be possible for them to put out.

I guess maybe it looks like not much coverage to a raging narcissist? In that other stories are also covered, and that's not fair.

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/11/2018 20:13

Omfg pain.

The idiocy is excruciating.

PeachCokeZero · 30/11/2018 19:38

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NewWomensMovement · 30/11/2018 19:31

I have it on good authority that Girl Guiding UK is absolutely inundated with complaints and has had to take on extra staff to cope with them.

Wow.

Who matters more - parents with daughters in Girl Guides or Jane Fae and Aimee Challenor?

PeachCokeZero · 30/11/2018 19:22

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IstanbulConstan · 30/11/2018 19:19

The dog screenshot has peaked me again.

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