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Gruaniad staffer credited with coming up with the term terf says it's cis-hetero-centric to credit her for it

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QuietContraryMary · 29/11/2018 12:53

Really.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/29/im-credited-with-having-coined-the-acronym-terf-heres-how-it-happened

This is like peak Guardian.

"Due to a short series of blogposts from 2008, I have retrospectively been credited as the coiner of the acronym “Terf” (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists). I suspect I’m merely the first person who wrote it on a website that still exists"

"It was passionate trans women activists online whose strong advocacy of their right to exist as women in the world showed me just how dehumanising the trans-hostile rhetoric is from some radfems about them. Yet as a cis-het woman with a mainly digital activism history, I have been credited while contributions of dedicated trans inclusion advocates such as Lisa Harney to those discussions have been overlooked. The pseudonyms common back then do complicate attributions, but it’s also an ongoing problem in this feminist discussion – it’s rarely been trans women who are handed the microphone to voice their own experiences, "

So to summarise:

  • men starting shouting 'TERF' at women, and accompanying this with male violence directed at said women
  • people started noticing and looking for the original source of the word, as you do.

They found an article here, from 2008 hoydenabouttown.com/2008/08/17/carnivalia-transgenderism-and-the-gender-binary/ with 'TERF' in it.

And hence in etymological terms that's the source. (If someone else could be found who used the term first then they would be credited, etymology/word history doesn't care about your feelings)

And the response of that author is some utter bollocks about 'transwomen not being handed the microphone', as if it was that hard to post something on the internet or transwomen are somehow absent from the internet, like some sort of tropical island uncontacted tribe with no-one to record their folklore.

Incidentally there is a point here, aside from the 'cishet' nonsense that libfems (such as Ruth Hunt) do deserve a great deal of the 'credit' for the current state of trans rights.

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BrienneofTERF · 30/11/2018 19:47

Jesus, well if that self-indulgent froth pot is responsible for coining the term, I may need to name change.

hackmum · 30/11/2018 17:09

Her bio says:

"Viv Smythe is a freelance writer and works for the digital community team at Guardian Australia"

Not sure whether that means she's a freelance AND a staffer, or whether she freelances solely for the Australian edition of the Guardian.

I'm fairly sure I heard the term "Terf" long before 2008, but who knows.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/11/2018 08:07

God is it any wonder the Guardian's circulation is in the toilet.

No kidding. Imagine having paid for the shit you just read. I'd want a refund.

Bimwit · 30/11/2018 07:55

Wow two-for-one further reasons to despise the guardian.

Hisaishi · 30/11/2018 07:44

Are these people real fgs?

What a load of fucking waffle.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 30/11/2018 07:26

Thanks for posting that, Caucho.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 30/11/2018 07:22

LordFekko, that is brilliant. Your PhD is well-deserved. Grin

thewitchofwentworth · 30/11/2018 03:22

The myth is that radical feminists came up with the term 'TERF' to describe ourselves therefore it's just a neutral term and not a slur, but this person is not a radical feminist, and neither is the other woman credited as creating the term.

Caucho · 30/11/2018 00:04

Guardian of course benefits from an off shore endowment and the top co is based in the Caymon Islands whist they rage about the right wing tax dodgers

Caucho · 30/11/2018 00:00

Unfortunately the Guardian begging strategy on funding has worked. They were going to go bankrupt. Somebody must be paying the begging letters and fees I’m inundated with when I venture there

Materialist · 29/11/2018 20:38

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FloralBunting · 29/11/2018 19:55

Did she really use the phrase 'circle of trust'? GrinGrinGrin

I need a Robert DeNiro gif right about here...

NoSquirrels · 29/11/2018 19:46

Gosh, that's impenetrable copy with lots of long, long sentences with identity-politic-speak.

Can't be arsed to click through to read it all!

MrsWinkly · 29/11/2018 19:33

LordFekko
GrinGrinGrin

ProfessoressWoland · 29/11/2018 18:41

"I do find the renewed interest over the last few years in writing of mine from a decade ago disconcerting."

I wonder - has there been a lot of renewed interest in her writing, or did she just want to talk about terfs in the Guardian? Because the crux of the piece seems to be "here's why Viv Smythe doesn't like terfs," not "here's how the word 'terf' came to be attributed to Viv Smythe."

I wish the Guardian would stop publishing this irresponsible guff.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/11/2018 18:38

‘Why I am so far up my own a* I can taste my own tonsils’ by Ace Reporter.l, aged 14 and 3/4

StarsAndWater · 29/11/2018 18:31

ultimately arguments based on theoretical machinations of hypothetical predatory individuals don’t strike me as anywhere near good enough reason to exclude every trans woman from the circle of feminist trust.

It doesnt matter whether it strikes her as good enough. She doesn't get to override other women's refusal to consent.

At its core, that's what this whole thing boils down to. Does a male-bodied person have the right to override a woman's 'no' when she wants privacy and enter that space without her consent?
Can someone else override her consent if they deem her unreasonable?
AFAIK a woman's right to say no when it comes to her body and privacy is absolute.
But TRAs apparently think there are exceptions.

FermatsTheorem · 29/11/2018 17:06

arguments based on theoretical machinations of hypothetical predatory individuals...

Does this woman have no idea how prevalent sexual abuse is? Has she read none of the recent articles on the epidemic of sexual violence in our schools?

R0wantrees · 29/11/2018 16:48

ultimately arguments based on theoretical machinations of hypothetical predatory individuals don’t strike me as anywhere near good enough reason to exclude every trans woman from the circle of feminist trust.

Protecting women's spaces is about safety, privacy and dignity.
These are sex-based rights

The spaces exist & are neccessary for all women and girls. Many of whom are not feminists.

This article comes from Guardian Australia.
The similarly bad one that was written a few weeks ago came from Guardian USA.

I'm curious to know where editorial responsibiliity and power is vested with what seem to be franchised versions.

It was (I presume) the Guardian Australia which churned out all of the supportive pieces about and by Hannah Mouncey.

R0wantrees · 29/11/2018 16:37

from the article
I, for example, avoid being in company with proudly public misogynists,

I bet she spends a lot of time with proud misogynists, they're just not wearing T Shirts or badges with it written on

Ereshkigal · 29/11/2018 16:26

Yes, the kind of blithering self hating panderer who wrote this abject excuse for a guardian article.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 29/11/2018 16:19

it’s rarely been trans women who are handed the microphone to voice their own experiences

Sheesh, someone actually wrote that with a straight face?

gendercritter · 29/11/2018 15:27

Growing up I wanted to be a journalist. Despite being a vaguely competent writer, my teachers repeatedly told me that it was really really hard to get paid work or ever write for any of the big, respected papers. So I went off in a different direction. So when I read this kind of rubbish, I feel more than a bit cheesed off that it turns out they let any old person through the door and I could have made something of myself after all.

It's so embarrassing anyone will even print these terrible articles. Self-flagellation in print is what it is. 'I'm too privileged. I'm so sorry'

Badstyley · 29/11/2018 15:12

Lol, so modest.