Stephen Whittle

Encounter, not encourage. Fat thumbs today!

Look, not loo!

I think I might follow some of the links as I read it as SW failed to achieve what they wanted, but missed that comment. It's interesting nonetheless given the current ongoing case. SW's drive has long been the removal of sex as an important marker in society, policy & law, giving preference to 'gender identity'. I think it's worth a deeper loo into what SW has published on this. SW has claimed they aren't lobbying to remove sex as a protected characteristic 'at the moment' but given that has been the target by many of the high profile trans lobbyists for some years, with each obstacle they encourage deemed just a challenge to get around, I'd be keen to read more on what is going on & who is involved in working the legal arguments as the current case moves on.

WTF
It reads that SW was unsuccessful at court but has ended up in this situation

"her name is on the birth certificates of the children that her wife has given birth to and that she has adopted."

So would SW be named as Mother or Father? Its so confusing and either one is a lie.

No, SW failed in their bid to be named father on the BC for the children according to the info there. It's an interesting parallel with the more recent case with the TM Freddie taking this on having given birth. I would not be surprised to find out SW has some input/involvement there too. No idea if that's the case though.

Interesting photo-crazy that a bio woman can be named as Father on a childs birth certificate-not insane at all!

That is very interesting. And packed full of interesting links.

In case it's taken down:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200516171910/herriotts.wordpress.com/2020/05/16/the-usual-suspects-steven-whittle/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200516171910/herriotts.wordpress.com/2020/05/16/the-usual-suspects-steven-whittle/

Assuming others can see the archived version.

Fascinating blog post. The photograph of Whittle and their daughter standing next to Caitlyn Jenner is quite something.

That's an excellent piece. Very well researched. Need to bookmark & go through it in detail. 👍

This is good on Stephen Whittle

herriotts.wordpress.com/2020/05/16/the-usual-suspects-steven-whittle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I used to admire Izzard for being true to himself in public, challenging the boundaries of what men can wear. Now he just comes across as a rather sleazy old man.

hellandhairnets

Still referred to throughout his very own website as he, though...

Just goes to show that he's taking the absolute piss. And a lot of women support this crap?

VickyEadie -

I believe he was on an all women shortlist for Labour wasn't he? Although I may have got that wrong... I have seen him saying he has 'boy and girl' genetics and has moved away from calling himself transvestite. Here's Ruth Serwotka on Eddie:

www.socfem.net/2017/10/eddie-izzard

MsMcWoodle Thanks for the update.
I understand the decision and as it's progressed the thread has become more about wider discussion of Stephen Whittle's motivations for the actions he has taken than just than the Guardian deletion of the false figures for male transgender people in prisons that he used there.

He is clear that he is a man - he doesn't claim that Claire is really a woman, for instance (unlike Eddie Izzard now seems to be doing

Is he (Izzard)? I can't get my head around what Izzard believes he is at all.

I jut nipped over to look at his own website and he is referred to as he throughout.

Sorry, meant to add - Whittle, on the other hand, however much sympathy I have from a childhood like that, is actively, often in a kind of surreptitious way behind the scenes - working to change the law around women's rights and freedoms. It is certainly illuminating to find out about his father. It says it all, really. This has come from male toxicity and is a form of denial, imo.

More of an accept me for who I am, without deciding who others, especially children, are. Or trying to push open safeguarding controls. Interestingly he is married to a psychotherapist.

I think GP is pretty honest about things, even if they are confusing or at times a bit icky (he is totally open that it is a fetish after all)- and yes, I think that his wife is a therapist isn't a coincidence.

Not only is GP clear that his cross-dressing has something to do with ideas around masculinity in our culture, but he understands what feminism is and isn't about and makes no claim on women's lives for himself. He is clear that he is a man - he doesn't claim that Claire is really a woman, for instance (unlike Eddie Izzard now seems to be doing). He also makes a point of using the men's loos. So I don't have a problem with GP because he's honest. As an artist he is supposed to explore these things.

Stephen Whittle, Susie Green and more appear to be using their individual experiences to promote wholesale societal changes, as if they need to justify their personal decision making.

I feel more comfortable with Grayson Perry and his acceptance of links between his cross dressing and his difficult childhood.

There was a very revelaing interveiw a few months ago, which I can find - but this one is interesting www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/grayson-perry-on-transgender-awareness-and-working-out-what-modern-masculinity-means-a3372916.html)

More of an accept me for who I am, without deciding who others, especially children, are. Or trying to push open safeguarding controls. Interestingly he is married to a psychotherapist.

Thank you,LurkingWaspi, for drawing my attention to Angela Clayton. I'd never heard of her before and she sounds remarkable. A sad loss at such a young age (i.e. younger than me).

So much evidence of male-pattern abuse & control both being displayed by some and the the consequences in others. Sometimes both.

Lemon I agree, something horrific has happened to that young girl.

Same with AC, these parents have a lot to answer for.

So Stephen Whittle's kids don't know their grandparents or whether they have cousins, presumably, as that would give away the secret? It's not just 'deadnaming' but a whole family history that will be 'dead' to them.

Admittedly Stephen's dad may not be much loss to them if Stephen's account is accurate, but surely there has to be a better way.

I woke up in the night thinking about Stephen. The bit that haunted me from the article I linked to wasn’t the bit about the violent dad. It was this bit:

"When I look in the mirror," he says, "I can't conceive of my old self. In fact, I can't bring myself to mention her name - even to my kids, and they're dying to know."

The level of dissociation Stephen has with that girl. What is it that makes Stephen unable to even say her name?

In the middle of the night the image that came into my head was a girl bricked up inside the wall of an old house. It took me ages to get back to sleep.

Christine Burns I am very much aware of, although we moved in different areas. Angela had an active voice well before 1999.

Several times I've been with her as she spoke before several hundred, initially very hostile, mainly white, male trades unionists and persuasively argued her corner. Never ever saw Whittle do this, safe man, although I note that, he has adopted all the stereotypical behaviours.

Angela was the one who encouraged people to put resolutions through their trades unions and not just on trans issues. Angela never stole a woman's trade union seat nor office. I'm not saying we agreed on everything, but she was a debater and a good one.

Angela went to an all boys school. She spoke with me about it in private. She did not constantly go on in public about her background as a child. She was aware that a lot of people have tough times as a child. She did not use it to garner sympathy. Angela was better than that.

lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/obituary-angela-clayton-mbe/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Clayton