In defence of deadnaming

when I read NonExistentFox’s posts I noticed that they contain the same letters of the alphabet that a death threat might

I feel attacked

Can NonExistentFox please report to a re-education facility or face prosecution - I have been in touch with a Yorkshire and Norfolk police and they await my instructions with fervent alacrity

I imagine a spiritual dick probably produces dark matter. It's all sounding a bit greek mythology at this point...

Well I'm not, so it's irrelevant.

Well then you're disputing an analogy I didn't make, aren't you. I am sorry, I'll try not to assume any up front knowledge on your part in future.

perhaps there is more than one binary dimension in life

What does this mean? It’s waffle. What extra dimensions? Like actual extra dimensions? Tiny spiritual penises wafting through Kaluza Klein spaces?

... My god! we’ve found dark matter!

That’s two Nobels at least for the TRA movement, once they can explain how changing sex actually works

if an uncountable number of people * are put at risk so that a Jessica doesn’t ever need reminding she was known as Jonathan (even if she caps herself Jonathan in her online product reviews) than I say it is more than worth it

• NB I used ‘people’ here to include women and I know that is v controversial for some posters but humour me and pretend they are human

How does that work then? I was under the impression that lesbians were female homosexuals. Thus exclusive same sex attraction? A lesbian doesn’t do dick. Spiritual, corporeal or on any plane of existence

If one likes both sexes one is bisexual. A lesbian is a female attracted to females. A lesbian by definition does not have an attraction to males

I’m all agog at the thought of a spititual dick. what might one of them be?

I'm not an authority on this myself but I'm fairly sure it predates your current "TRA" concerns by a long time and might go to show that a) perhaps you don't know as much about lesbians as you think you do and b) perhaps there is more than one binary dimension in life and your certainties are merely simplistic illusions. Because otherwise you end up with fundamentalism and purity tests and so on and I'm pretty sure that kind of thing tends to end badly.

I’m all agog at the thought of a spititual dick. what might one of them be?

I think it's when your inner jelly baby says the right prayer.

I'm a bit hazy on some of these concepts, but I don't feel entitled to impose my own criteria on anyone else

Lesbians are same-sex attracted. If they're not same-sex attracted, they're not a lesbian.

It's not difficult. And you don't have to waffle on about your personal criteria. No one gives a toss about how you want to redefine words according to your own criteria.

Mr Wax is as British as I am and people are calling him Mr. Wachs (IPA: /vaks/) to highlight his German Jewish ancestry.

Well I'm not, so it's irrelevant.

Seriously, your arguments are daft.

"However, there are plenty on here who intend to ignore pronouns and address TW as men."

I refuse to have my language policed such that I say something I neither mean nor believe. It's as simple as that.

@ScottCheggJnr

"However, there are plenty on here who intend to ignore pronouns and address TW as men."

I think you will find, that the majority of people in the World would address a masculine looking TW as a man, because that is simple biological fact. A man can never be a woman, that is a scientific, biological fact, and anyone who denies that probably believes in creationism or flat earth theory, or maybe that the sun revolves around the earth.

I'm not sure it should be a criminal offence, granted, but it being fact isn't a sole justification for doing it. That's what I meant

But TRAs aren't just demanding that people don't call Transwomen he. They are demanding that they call them she. They are demanding that people like.

If one likes both sexes one is bisexual. A lesbian is a female attracted to females. A lesbian by definition does not have an attraction to males

That would be correct. A lesbian isn't a lesbian if she is attracted to or actually sleeps with possessors of penises (aka men, whatever they choose to call themselves).

And no amount of linguistic sleight of hand by TRAs and their supporters can change that fact.

There are lesbians who prefer dick but stick religiously to women out of principle. There are lesbians who believe they have a spiritual dick. There are lesbians who are perfectly happy to sleep with trans men or trans women. There are lesbians who also sleep with AMAB straight men.

How does that work then? I was under the impression that lesbians were female homosexuals. Thus exclusive same sex attraction? A lesbian doesn’t do dick. Spiritual, corporeal or on any plane of existence

If one likes both sexes one is bisexual. A lesbian is a female attracted to females. A lesbian by definition does not have an attraction to males

I’m all agog at the thought of a spititual dick. what might one of them be?

Mr Wax is as British as I am and people are calling him Mr. Wachs (IPA: /vaks/) to highlight his German Jewish ancestry.

And yes, of course, likewise lesbians. If lesbians find it crucial to say that they are same-sex attracted and don't do dick, you need to ask yourself why you are saying they shouldn't.

Believe it or not I have asked myself. My answer is that everyone is entitled to exclude or include whatever they like for themselves. There are lesbians who want nothing whatsoever to do with dick. There are lesbians who prefer dick but stick religiously to women out of principle. There are lesbians who believe they have a spiritual dick. There are lesbians who are perfectly happy to sleep with trans men or trans women. There are lesbians who also sleep with AMAB straight men.

I'm a bit hazy on some of these concepts, but I don't feel entitled to impose my own criteria on anyone else. Other people do. When these people start waving banners and handing out misleading leaflets exhorting the rest of us to exclude part of the LGBTQI during a celebration of LGBTQI, it crosses the line for me. And if other lesbians find it crucial to say that it crosses the line, you need to ask yourself why that might be.

And yes, of course, likewise lesbians. If lesbians find it crucial to say that they are same-sex attracted and don't do dick, you need to ask yourself why you are saying they shouldn't.

it's like pronouncing Mr. Wax's name as Mr. Wachs to make it clear you don't consider him British.

If he wanted to access a UK state pension, despite him being American, then pointing out that he is not British is entirely necessary.

You know this. Your disingenuity is time consuming. For both you and everyone else.

Bruce Jenner won an Olympic gold medal.

It's very interesting what the results are when you Google Bruce Jenner ...

Or bought a billboard or hijacked Pride with massive banners, say?

How can LESBIANS hijack PRIDE when they say that LESBIANS DON'T do DICK?

That should be the very essence of Pride.

To be fair if someone constantly mispronounced someone's surname on purpose despite knowing it's pronunciation I'd think they were a dick.
I wouldn't try to no-platform them or insist they receive a criminal record for it because that would make me a dick.

People should be able to say what is true.

Something that resembles a beach ball isn't.

Thing?

So a fat woman is a thing now?

Given the vast majority of trans people aren't criminals, no it isn't.

DARVO happens because most oppressors believe themselves to be the injured party.

DARVO in action.

Are you really this hard of thinking? Despite the entire premise being explained to you?

Like I said, Datun, you're the brains of this operation.

Obviously changing your name for this should afford you no more protection from a criminal record than any other name change. Deadnaming isn't about that, it's like pronouncing Mr. Wax's name as Mr. Wachs to make it clear you don't consider him British.

No but the wimms are all sensitive about being called fat so you can probably get some good rises out of people. Were you that way inclined.

Wolf whistling and catcalling is shitty behaviour. I’m not sure how you could criminalise it - again you’re criminalising public speech. Following a woman, and making her fear for her safety is already an offence.

The addition of extra laws may seem like it’s helpful but it’s often not. I’m certainly having to think about my opinion on hate crime legislation

Or bought a billboard or hijacked Pride with massive banners, say?

Are you really this hard of thinking? Despite the entire premise being explained to you?