Rapist given access to son

ThevMOJ spokesperson said the council could have gone to,court to stop this
They choose not to
The council
Sarah champion said the MOJ could make the guidelines clear so that councils cannot interpret the guidelines however they wish to
Sarah said they could do this today

OK so whatever happened behind closed doors in this case, it seems that the facts are:
If there is a known parent, including that parent being convicted of rape against the mother of the child when she was a minor, a court agreement has to be pro-actively sought to prevent that parent having access? And / or agreeing to a passport? Other aspects of parental responsibility?

He wasn't 'given access'. He was written to to ask if he wanted to be party to care proceedings. That is the law as it stands - the court has to give agreement to known birth parents not being contacted. As the family courts are private, we don't know whether this was asked for and denied or not.

Thanks for the legal clarification NotANotMan. In other papers it is reported that the child understood that access was on the cards. He seems to be extremely vulnerable (taken into care with his mother's consent because she could not meet his needs). This should never have been on the radar.

I agree with PPs. If this is actually legal it needs to be changed.

"Blaming social workers without knowing the facts of the case is not ok."

She says she was asked to go to court and not told that he could have been there, and fought for access.

I do blame whoever was responsible for that.

Just when I thought that the whole trans thing was as bad as it was going to get

NotANotMan: OK, but it seems from what you say that a raped woman has to go to court to get an opt out agreement of a rapists right to apply for care / access.

Even when the rapist has raped a MINOR.

It is obviously wildly wrong, and Sammy has been put through trauma to even be obliged to go to court and get that agreement.

What is the best way to get this law changed?

I actually feel physically sick over this. Horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. I’ve never written to MOJ. How do you go about this? (I’m not on Twitter.)

Shame, shame and shame again on the people in councils and social services and law who did and do this. They are accessories to the trauma of rape. I hope they are named and shamed

Blaming social workers without knowing the facts of the case is not ok.
The law says that known birth parents must be contacted in cases of public law proceedings. Only the court can veto this.

If you go on Sammy twitter feed which is on page 1 of this thread she said write to MOJ

For Fuck's sake.

Surely a conviction for rape should come with an automatic injunction never to go near the victim or her family ever again?

This whole thing places women in the UK on a par with women with the least rights in the world, e.g Afghanistan or Saudi.

Shame, shame and shame again on the people in councils and social services and law who did and do this. They are accessories to the trauma of rape. I hope they are named and shamed.

If Sammy can stand up, waive her anonymity and and speak for justice these council workers should be similarly name themselves and account for their actions.

What can we best do to stop this ever happening again? What is our most effective action?

It she is not the only she said
The secrecy of family courts

He wasn't 'given access'
He was written to to ask if he wanted to be party to care proceedings. That is the law as it stands - the court has to give agreement to known birth parents not being contacted. As the family courts are private, we don't know whether this was asked for and denied or not.

Councils don't have the power to offer contact to anyone. Only courts can order a child to have contact with someone if the resident parent doesn't agree.

Not that I'm defending this but the law is the law and we don't know the facts.

So angry. How can they do this to her and to her child? He is a literal child rapist. In what kind of world should he have access to a child ever again? Let alone the trauma for Sammy. She is incredible, but should never have to face this.

Also (again): what the hell is going on in South Yorkshire?? The authorities seem to disregard women and children across the board.

She applied for a passport for her son and the council said they have to ask the rapist father for permission
FFS

I've met professionals in this mindset. It's so right on and modern and important to not be prejudiced and to accept people as they are, it's almost a competition to prove how open minded/ not prejudiced against men/criminals/any other group than the norm that rational boundaries have just been swept away by training and action taken 'getting ahead of' implications in reports and messages from the family courts. The road to hell truly is paved with good intentions.

All of this is comes down to losing any boundaries and the ability to say no to people, retaining a clear message on right and wrong coming over personal freedoms, and from local authority level downwards, an ability to stand up to tantrums of the difficult, vexatious and frequently personality disordered when refused. It comes up over and over in serious case reviews and nothing changes.

Gawd they asked him to apply for custody

MOJ. Spokesperson said that rotherman council could have applied to5( court to not have to contact the rapist father
And they are looking at this case
Not good enough they need to make guidelines clear to all concerned
Because this is happening in secret to other women

All strength and courage to you, Sammy.

I hope the public outrage gives you some small thread of support. None of this should have happened to you. You are a brave woman and a lion mother. Good for you.

How on earth could a social worker think this was remotely a good thing?
He is a rapist of a CHILD.

Do rapists have actual rights to see a child born of their crime? In which case we all need to write to our MPs now.

Or is this inhumane insanity by a social worker?

And yes, the damage has already been done: the threat that it might have happened, the feeling that his rights are greater than hers, that her parenthood is as much violated as her body....

Wtf

Just how can they do this.

Have also just purchased on kindle in support.

So sorry to the victims of these unbelievable horrific rulings/invasion of their lives

Sammy is in touch with Julie Bindel. On twitter
No petition
But Sammy wants us to write to MOJ

VD. Also said what about safeguarding how can a child rapist be allowed access to a child

Once again, the “rights” of a “father” are more important than the rights of mothers and children. I’m so, so fucking sick of this

Does anyone know if there is a petition going, or if there is anything that the public can do to help?

Sammy just spoke on sad VD show
She is so brave
Then Sarah champion labour mp for Rotherham came on to say this could stop today if the government made clear guidelines to councils
Sarah said that she is finding it difficult to contact MOJ
VD said MOJ sopkeperson is coming on today so VD going to ask her then
Sammy said her case is not the only one where women have been forced to give access to their children by family courts
She said it is happening up and down the country

This is awful! What the hell is going on in this country? This brave young woman has been to hell & back and the authorities are failing her and her child again

She has written a book about her horrific experiences. I just bought it in support of her.
www.amazon.co.uk/Just-Child-Britains-Biggest-Scandal-ebook/dp/B079P4C8TT/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=Just+a+child&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1543400165&sr=8-1