School have a trans information session/day

NotZen Just coming on to post that.
I hope the school is giving equal weight to the GC point of view...

Children do indeed have enough on their shoulders with puberty and exams and expectations of their future.

Acceptance should not involve the burden of dealing with other people's confused feelings and changing their boundaries to accommodate them.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/56/section/407

^ what Dastardly says - I will be doing exactly the same.
No one came into schools to talk about trans ideology when I was at school and I managed to survive.

Children have enough on their shoulders - puberty is such a confusing and often stressful time for them to go through. All this does is to add an extra layer of confusion.

Did anyone see the issue being discussed on This Morning yesterday? Munroe Bergdorf was on the show peddling the usual nonsense. The opposing guest described it as a movement which is exactly what it is. These people have an agenda. They are determined and will not stop. Anyone who opposes their view is told they are bigoted (as Piers was yesterday).

One of my Facebook friends recently came out as gender critical and said she didn’t care what anyone else thought and to go ahead and unfriend her if they wanted to. I wish I could do the same but sadly my list of friends includes some work colleagues and so I would potentially be putting my job at risk. I work in a public serving role. Our manager has even told us not to use gendered terms when talking to people on the phone in case they identify as something other than their actual sex! It’s all getting ridiculous

The trouble with this is drawing false parallels. The gender lobby do this a lot. The gender bread person uses sexual attraction, expression that know and understand, shoe-horns in sex as a spectrum and then slips in being a man or a woman as another spectrum, that we tend to believe having gone through the previous process of thought arrangement.

It is the same with the phse listed above. Cover consent, porn, contraception, lgb and the t effortly added.
Mention the emotive topic of Section 28, then having hooked your audience who will give you their all, you move onto trans acceptance.

Understand:

A>B>C, therefore

X>Y>Z!

I would like to see a bit more evidence based research behind classes that are supposed to alter people's perceptions.

The problem is, a large proportion put through this process of indoctrination will grow up and react against it and probably use it against those it was intended to help. It is also unlikely to have the desired effect in the people who most need to learn how not to single out others, and probably preaching to the converted.

20 grand a year fees doesn’t seem to buy the poor pupils any factual accuracy!

itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2015/03/the-genderbread-person-v3/

This is a girls school, for cripes sake! Why aren’t they teaching them that gender is a bunch of largely arbitrary rules designed by men to try and keep women in second place?

They used to have a terrible problem with anorexia back in my day* so you would hope they had learned a lesson or two in preventing social contagion by now. Sadly not, if they are inviting Gendered Intelligence in.

*I went to a comp a couple of miles down the road 😂

I would also send them Michele Moore's video, which explains why we are so deeply concerned about teaching gender ideology as fact and the social contagion that is sweeping across schools.

The risk is that by pushing for affirmation (by calling anything else conversion therapy), children who may be struggling with their sexuality, may be on the autistic spectrum or may be facing other mental health challenges could be affirmed into a medical pathway that has serious consequences, not all of which are known as there hasn’t been any research. Research which has been shut down or prevented as it has been seen as transphobic.

When this is coupled by parents being told they must affirm their child or they might end up with a suicidal or dead child, there isn’t much room given to explore other issues and that’s what’s I find concerning.

Then there’s the fact that teaching children that they’re adherence to sex stereotypes is a reflection of whether they are actually of that sex means that we are regressing back to fixed ideas about what girls and boys can and can’t do, which I think is very restrictive.

This was a good article written by a trans person on how the ideology can be dangerous for vulnerable children

www.thepostmillennial.com/the-pied-pipers-of-gender-ideology-a-different-transgender-perspective/amp/

The trouble with the "different beliefs", "be kind" message is do they then go on to tell girls they should "be kind" and let boys who believe they're girls share their changing spaces and take places on their (girls') sports teams? Being kind and respectful has to cut both ways.

Genderbread. Silly me.

If you can OP, read the many many scathing replies to that Gingerbread Person tweet.

Here's one of the slides shown to that all girls school

The trouble is that the training materials for schools used by trans groups reach way beyond an interesting discussion about personal pathways and bullying. They always include regressive stereotypes, they 'normalise' breast binding and use of puberty blockers and they - as we have seen - advocate adults keeping a child's secrets (including from parents). And I bet every presentation will be framed with a definition of 'transphobia' that effectively silences critical thinking / questions.

It is not surprising that parents are now objecting to this.

This is hugely different to homosexuality being taught in schools.

Homosexuality, once it was allowed to be taught, was included in sex education classes.

There was never a specific "Homosexual Group" coming in to talk just about that to schools.

There were "Sex Ed" groups, we had an awful group come in to talk to us about sex. I really hope that has improved in the 30 odd years since I was that age at school.

It's the nature of how it is being taught or introduced in school that is the problem. It's being spoon fed. It's not a discussion or introduction of an idea. It's a lecture.

I am soooo happy I am not raising my kids in the UK!

OP I'm not sure it always is 'education' and not 'indoctrination'. I mean, who decides that?

Some may feel this use of the infamous Gingerbread person at a school this week was just education, rather than a regressive enforcement of gender stereotypes on girls.

St Albans High School (@STAHS) Tweeted:
Dex from ⁦*@Genderintell*⁩ joined us this morning to talk about gender identity with Year 9 students. Enormous thanks for leading such an informative and open discussion. #STAHSSenior #STAHSPSHEE t.co/7csT5CpVZK twitter.com/STAHS/status/1065987063995084801?s=17

AssasinatedBeauty has kind of put her finger on it for me - rather than challenging the societal expectations that tell young people they should behave and dress a certain way this approach is encouraging the idea that it is the young person at fault, that somehow their body is 'wrong' and needs surgery and drugs to 'correct'. I think this is quite a long way from the issues that people with real gender dysphoria face but there is an extremely worrying blurring of issues going on.

Imagine the following in a class at primary school.

"Did humans ride dinosaurs? Well, there are a variety of opinions on that."

(Triceratops with a saddle at the Creation Museum will never get old.)

This is what materials genderintel used recently with year 9 girls in a school at St Albans

Well Piece, I mean, there are different opinions in the sense as there being different opinions about Creationism, the Earth being flat and our elites being lizard people. I was not aware that schools in the West are now in the business of discussing different opinions irrespective of their connections to science and logic.

It's like when homosexuality was first discussed in schools, so many pearl clutchers thought thatd 'turn their kids gay'. That is obviously a load of rubbish, and it seems to be happening again with trans issues by a minority of people who are anti trans activists today.

Nah, mate. It's more like inviting Scientologists to hold an introductory fair at the school, complete with a session explaining why being forced to clean toilets with a toothbrush is a perfectly reasonable and appropriate way of curing members of their worrying tendency towards independent thought and a slide show presentation on the scientific support for the existence of thetans.

I agree with the poster who said something along the line of "it was all about being nice to each other about differences"

It's like when I used to teach drugs to year 4. I didn't go in with "And now today kids we learn how to shoot up"
It's basic stuff about alcohol, cigarettes, even medicine.

I would imagine that they would tell you more, you could definitely asked what's going to be taught.

My daughter's BF is trans and my daughter still knows you can't really change your sex, only your gender stereotype.

Schools need to teach about gender stereotypes I think.

Someone on twitter yesterday was saying that these groups going in to schools is political and as such is disallowed I see the education act. I can't fk d the info but I was going to use this argument at dds school.

Nobody can say what it will be like unless we know what the school approach is.

We teach diversity and LGBT issues as part of PSHE. It's nothing like the emotive nonsense from lobby groups. I'm not posting too much in case the vultures circle. I would imagine our approach would annoy the more vocal 'I don't accept fully medicallu transitioned trans people' group and would annoy the TRA lobby, so we've probably got the right line.

I would keep my dd off that day.

It's nothing but lies. Teaches kids to ignore their own boundries and they the very essence of every thing that happens to then is little more than a feeling inside someone's head.

Not to mention the homophobia.

I would communicate with the school and ensure I informed them just who these people are, and then take my dd out for a coffee somewhere or something.

Biological sex is also important to note in other (non trans) healthcare matters too (both in diagnostics and treatments) and in relation to the sexual orientation of others.

Being trans/presenting as the opposite sex isn’t something that anyone should be made to feel ashamed of, but it must be explained in realistic (age apppropriate!) terms, especially to those children who are gender questioning/might grow up to be trans. Concluding that you ‘identify as’ something is not the same as actually being something.

Frankly, the world is mostly shit for women and girls, so any girl with a bit of nouse about her will probably see some appeal in being a boy instead (higher wages! Less unwaged caring work for kids and elders! No stigma for visible body hair! No need to worry about your ‘bikini body’ - boys don’t do bikinis! And that’s just the western world edition).

You need to see the materials they will be using first before you do anything. We had a trans session at our school (not a whole day though) and I was preparing for some awkward conversations but actually the material was all about differences and being nice to each other. There wasn’t anything controversial, it was all quite basic.