School have a trans information session/day

I don't think so Old Crone. But you want to scare people into thinking that it will be the end of the road for women.

Being trans is not about clothing.

But the Stonewall definition of trans includes cross dressers. And Philip Bunce 'becomes' Pips when he puts on a dress. And that makes him eligible to get awards for women in business.

NAMALT and NATWALT.

That better?

I never suggested it should revolve around my daughter's view. But, my daughter and other trans women should not be put in the same sentence and, therefore, associated with rapists.

Yep, so none of our lived experience bears witness, because of your daughter?

I empathise with your daughter's experience, and gender dysphoria, like any dysphoria, is emotionally and physically difficult, hard to navigate and has a wider impact on family and friends.

But I think you're out of step with the modern definition of 'trans', as you know because many people have pointed that out to you over the last few months.

And 'trans' does not now mean just gender dysphoria. It's 'identities' and choices.

And it also does not mean that the whole of society must relocate its axis around your daughter's experience, and have to ensure that gender stereotypes are enforced and adhered to unless you are 'trans', that we cannot talk about many of our experiences of feeling uncomfortable in our bodies as teenagers, of pushing against traditional stereotypes, but also emerging from that time still able to conceive, function sexually, without physical scars.

And to not allow many of us to speak out for the multitiude of other children who come after us who may well be the same, but who will have little guidance other than the genderbread 'spectrum' to align yourself on.

It’s also about the confusion between transsexual and transvestite. 2 very different kettles of fish.

The thread isnt about your male child who likes to use female spaces.

Its about the trans propoganda being pushed in schools,which does include telling children they are trans if they wear the "wrong" clothing.

Have a look at the Barbie/ Action man scale Mermaids use, or the 10,000 dresses book.

And maybe you have a simplistic idea of what it’s like to be ‘gender unconforming’ as a child - and ripe for those agencies who would suggest that you are transsexual.

Gender is a social construct. That is all. It is not an indication of sexually.

I think many posters on here have a very simplistic idea of what being trans is. It seems to bear no relation to my daughter’s experience.

I don’t understand why, when they have sex education - why do the need this warped version of ‘gender education’.

I think the newer groups presenting "trans-information" presentations to schools present a very simplistic idea of what humans go through during puberty.

Look at the stonewall trans umbrella and say that again. Tell Pip Bince that too.

Consider the difference of an adult making the decision - versus a child being persuaded that by bit following gender norms they are on some way ‘broken’.

Being trans is not about clothing.

You present a very simplistic idea of what trans people go through.

Not saying anyone is 'pushing kids' into becoming transgender.

But I am saying I see less education sessions by these brave and stunning lobby groups going into schools and giving these kids other options.

Which many, many women and men on this site and on social media are saying is their lived experience.

That they didn't align to those 'traditional' ideas that you allude to, that they explored different clothing, presentation, likes, dislikes, without having someone show them a genderbread slide and suggest that if their likes were more 'GI Joe' than 'Barbie' then maybe they'd need to assess their gender fucking identity. Or their 'woman-ness' or 'man-ness'.

And to a question previously in this thread, how you present in your likes, clothing, activity is nothing to do with your sexual orientation and to link the two is incredibly homophobic and out-dated.

Well, teenagers can like/believe in weird shit. I mean, can you explain Justin Bieber?

How on earth are teenagers supposed to study hours of biology and at the same time accept mammals can change sex

Theyre teenagers, not idiots!

So that’s why stonewall, allsorts and mermaids (as well as vomit and vile) are speaking at schools? That’s why the social media ‘personalities’ in this field suggest that kids contact them and don’t tell their parents? Why that school in Brighton has a sudden flurry of trans and ‘gender fluid’ kids?

We had Miss England speak at our school and half the girls wanted to be beauty queens ffs.

It’s rubbish to assert that schools are pushing kids into becoming ‘transgender’. That is nonsense.

Trans ideology is all about traditional and rigid expectations, it couldn’t be more so.

Agreed!

I think it would be marvellous if schools would address the current and very concerning issues that gender stereotypes seem to be tightening and closing in to tie certain expectations to each sex, and that kids learn acceptance of people who are keen to break out from the current and bizarrely* increasing pressure of 'conventional norms' to be able to be dress how they want, wear their hair how they want, like certain stuff, not like certain stuff.

(*It's not bizarre - a small group of adult people need these gender stereotypes to be firmly in place to validate their own ideology)

That would be an important step in averting the bullying of children who don’t conform to the rigid expectations of the more {upsurge in enforcement of outdated) traditional ideas of society and stereotypes.

Sadly, the current prevailing message from groups keen to go in and 'help' schools seems to be "hey boys and girls, don't like the gender expectations connected with your sex being increasingly pushed? you must be non-binary/trans".

Who is?

Kids are pretty accepting unless their parents indoctrinate them with anti-trans propaganda.