School have a trans information session/day

I can assure you I don’t lurk. I have better things to do than listen to the same old arguments over and over. I come here because I’m a masochist for my weekly dose of abuse.

I'd be concerned as to what is going to be taught, but if they are simply going to cover the fact that some people are born a particular sex, but they don't identify as that sex, and therefore take steps to live a life identifying as trans I don't have a problem with it. It happens, and kids will be exposed to it, either directly at school or through the media. The problem I have is with what's actually going to be taught, not the concept of educating children about transgender individuals.

Hilarious that Feminist4 accuses us of driving people away, whereas in fact what happens is that they silently lurk the boards till they spot their moment, unleash a torrent of accusation and invective on us for being mean, and then won't leave us alone

Stonewall are informing these organizations and schools. It's not derailing. So, F4, do you agree with their definition of trans?

I heard something on the radio this morning about a programme of evidence based weekly lessons given to 11-15 year olds on life skills to boost mental health. That sounded more the ticket to me.

Naturally, I can't find it on the BBC Education page .

I’m not here to discuss Stonewall. Please don’t derail this thread.

PerverseConverse, I sympathise with you 100% & send you and .

This will pass. Stick to your guns. Things come in and out of vogue.

So Fem4 do you agree with the Stonewall definition of trans or do you think the trans umbrella is too wide? That's debating the points.

I rest my case.

Oh I do report it and it does get deleted, but it is frequent and subtle. Bullies are clever. But many personal attacks are made on people here, rather than a debate of their points.

Heaven forbid we should have our own opinions and voices 🙄

Being disagreed with does not equal bullying and verbal abuse. Please report anything that does actually constitute bullying/abuse, you'll find MNHQ very quick to delete it.

I think there is quite a lot of bullying on these boards. Anyone who disagrees with the party line on here is verbally abused. Most get driven away. It's a lovely gang this.

But, my daughter and other trans women should not be put in the same sentence and, therefore, associated with rapists.

Agreed. Your problem is with the men using the disguise of being trans, not the women on here who are concerned for children. This is what we’ve been saying all along.

But it’s just easier to attack women isn’t it? Than stand up to men.

RepealTheGRA I wonder if mumsmet HQ could 'spearhead' (is that the right word?) such a campaign?

I heard a program segment on radio 4 last night and they identified three groups bullied, bullying and bystander. The item was about changong bystander mentality. All very noble.

However, the presnenter mentiom something like what horrible 'need' was being satisfied for the bully. Words to that affect. Implying those who bully had some need to do so! I was really angry and may write to Radio 4.

Bullies do not need to bully. They want to. There may be deep seated issues for the bully or there may not. But either way bullying is a choice. Being a bystander is a choice. The only person with no choice is the target!

Italiangreyhound

Could you write a PSHE program and roll it out to all schools please?

Nobody should be bullying anybody and there needs to be a national investigation into what kids are looking at online.

Schools should be pusging 'an agenda' of no bullying full stop. There is NO acceptable reason for a child to be bullied.

Telling kids the reasons not to bully other kids seems counter intuitive.

Better to preach acceptance of all kids and kindness which means you don't actually have to agree to another's religion, or 'gender ideas' or share the interests or cultural heritage or body size or anyone BUT you do need to treat everyone fairly! IMHO.

So we don't need trans propaganda in schools. Actually there is so much on the internet I suspect that is the main cause of contagion here. That is not to doubt real issues existing for trans identifying children.

Shit - I’m in my civvies at work today and my clothes are dangerously blokeish.

I don't think so Old Crone.

What do you mean F4? Everything I said in that post is true. Here's the Stonewall definition of trans:

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

See it for yourself here:
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

And here's Philip Bunce
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

According to Stonewall and other TRAs, crossdressing does, actually make you trans. In Bunce's case it actually makes him a woman when he puts on a frock.

And there we have it. A gift that keeps giving.

A Mumsnet thread concerned about young people's wellbeing and mental health.

Concerns raised about the risk of a new type of homophobia driven either accidentally or intentionally by some of the common trans-educational materials being used in schools right now.

A general discussion about dysphoria, puberty, risks of medicalisation. The issues of conflating gender with sex.

One for the lovely lurkers reading. Thread suddenly accused of conflating in a sentence transwomen and rapists.

Anyone on this thread putting 'transwomen' in the same sentence as rapists?

(And, given this is a thread about school-aged children, why would we be discussing transwomen anyway?)

As threatened by some lovely activists on social media?