School have a trans information session/day

Please stop conflating trans rights with gay rights. I support trans rights for self determination but we all need to challenge them to the hilt, When TRAs start laying claims to women’s right to speak, rights to organise, rights to privacy and single sex spaces and rights to hold opinions different from their own.

So, for example - are pupils also given talks by women's groups regarding the rights of women and girls? And what to do and who to contact if girls feel that their rights are being ignored, their boundaries swept aside?

That would have been a bit help to me - my career got fucked over when I went on maternity leave, missed out on promotion as a result because the process was so long, and had nowhere to leave DS to go back to work. I thought the laws had all been sorted.

I work in a large secondary school with over a thousand students aged 11-16. Amongst those students, there are precisely zero girls with short hair. In the sixth form, there is one girl with short hair.

We definitely seem to have moved backwards, rather than forwards, in terms of acceptance of what it means to be male or female. I would really hope that any discussion of trans awareness would involve lots of discussion that not fitting these stereotypes doesn't mean you are not that sex. I fear that it would be all about accepting those stereotypes rather than challenging them.

as someone else said, not too long ago when homosexuality was being discussed more openly some parents were horrified and outraged.

Teaching children that there is such a thing as 'woman-ness' or 'man-ness' combines both homophobia and sexism.

Yes, agree with this by OlennasWimple:

Is the school holding a "gay information session"?

Is the school holding a "sexual assault and consent information session"?

Or any other type of special information sessions? If it's genuinely part of a serious of sessions covering difficult issues, that's one thing. If it's just a sparkly special trans session, then I would be asking hard questions about where the impetus - and materials - for this had come from

My children are past school now, so I don't know.

So, for example - are pupils also given talks by women's groups regarding the rights of women and girls? And what to do and who to contact if girls feel that their rights are being ignored, their boundaries swept aside?

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as someone else said, not too long ago when homosexuality was being discussed more openly some parents were horrified and outraged. Now it's that all over again but with trans instead.

I really think schools could teach compassion for any child with gender dysphoria without endorsing it and saying anything about the completely unproven idea of everyone having an image gender identity. If gender were taught as construct it would so much easier for people to choose to reject it of they wish.

Is the school holding a "gay information session"?

Is the school holding a "sexual assault and consent information session"?

Or any other type of special information sessions? If it's genuinely part of a serious of sessions covering difficult issues, that's one thing. If it's just a sparkly special trans session, then I would be asking hard questions about where the impetus - and materials - for this had come from

Schools must be stopped from spreading this hateful misinformation regarding the supposed benefits of transitioning from ones biological sex to 'ones preferred sex' to CHILDREN.
First, it is a biological impossibility.
Second, transitioning is financially ruinous for most households, given the ongoing dependency on drugs and surgery.
Third, those who have undergone sex reassignment surgery have much higher risks of; death, suicide, and psychiatric inpatient care. Link to journal article on the increased risks of morbidity here:
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

What I do believe is that lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

At last I can agree with something you say, Feminist4. But this is exactly what Stonewall are doing by including such people as crossdressers under their trans umbrella. Please take it up with Stonewall, and sign this petition.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

It’s an extremely toxic blend of sexism and homophobia dressed up as progressiveness.

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This, with bells on.

It’s the difference between teaching about religion - some people believe x, and as long as they are not harming anyone they should be free to practice their religion without fear of persecution; and religious indoctrination - if you don’t believe in God you are going to hell.

I’m not concerned about children being ‘turned trans’. I am concerned about them being taught that certain traits are abnormal for men or women, that lesbians aren’t proper women, and that there are no consequences to being born with a male or female body.

lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

Yes, completely agree, but that is what self ID would do.

I think it’s marvellous that schools are addressing these issues and kids learn acceptance of people who are different from the conventional norms. It’s an important step in averting the bullying of children who don’t conform to the rigid expectations of the more traditional ideas of society.

Except that is the opposite of what the ‘gingerbread’ narrative teaches. Departure from the norm is not apparently accepatable and anybody who doesn’t conform to gender expectations must clearly have the wrong body.

It’s an wxtremely toxic blend of sexism and homophobia dressed up as progressiveness.

Hopefully it will just be a tiny part of a bigger, ‘some people are ... and that’s ok’ diversity talk and not Stoat and Vole or some other trans youth ‘celeb’. Or that confused Genderbread thing!

Male bodied people are male bodied people, Feminist4.

It’s Male-bodied people are excluded from spaces for female-bodied people - having a medical diagnosis doesn’t change anything.

And this really IS a derailment now.

OP - have you heard anything from school regarding the materials they plan to use for the session and who supplied them?

but given that there's no way to differentiate then having no male people in women's spaces is the only way forward - unless of course, trans people wish to campaign for a third space. That is up to them, of course.

Feminists have been saying this for bloody years!

Betty, my daughter is older, but I can have an opinion that isn’t related to her. I’m not sure where I stand on Stonewall’s position. What I do believe is that lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

Manipulation of young minds is not the way to produce healthy adults.

Teenagers have enough to deal with growing up and becoming self-supporting. It is a big cliff and there are not the clear stable routes forward for them that there were.

Precisely because they're unquestioning and inclined to accept as true things taught to them at school. They're vulnerable to manipulation in a way adults are not.

I am so sick and tired of this Anti-science bullshit being peddled in schools. You can’t on the one hand teach basic biological facts and then have a special away day from reason, where students are taught that all they know scientifically is wrong.
There is no scientific evidence to suggest you can be born in the wrong body, why the hell is this pap being regurgitated to unquestioning kids in schools.

educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/public/files/Projects/Evaluation_Reports/Healthy_Minds_interim_paper.pdf

Tracked it down at last!

Wouldn't it be marvellous if all these gender unicorns/bread persons had gone through some open, rigorous evidence-based assessment process before being let into schools.

Feminist4, I thought your trans kid was 24? And living independently with a partner?

Because this is a thread about current 11 year olds, so you are already derailing it.

Stonewall is more relevant than your adult child’s experience of school, almost a decade and half has gone by since your kid was 11.

I've not abused you Fem4. I have asked if you agree with a certain definition. You're allowed to have a view either way. I personally don't agree with the stonewall definition and think it does people with gender dysphoria a disservice. I would be genuinely interested in your opinion.