Women's Hour today, Michelle Moore and Layla Moran, on safeguarding

I know someone whose son had just done sex education at school. He was convinced he had to find a girl friend and have sex before he was 18. I've no idea why he thought that or what was said in class to give that impression. He has asperger's and is extremely bright.

I have had to turn it off as I have work to do.

Before I did the talk changed to how (thin, young) white women are appropriating looks from black culture and how this is fraud.

Do you think these issues were deliberately put on one after another?

And I think a win that they followed it with a piece on white women presenting as racially ambiguous.

Explicit links not made but there for all to infer.

Just catching the women speaking about black appropriation - going to listen back - fantastic exchange there.

Layla spluttered incredulously when Michelle pointed out that 30pc of trans-presenting kids being autistic is the Tavistock's OWN figure. Then thrashed around suggesting that it might be because autistic children are more likely to be upfront about being trans.

Why is this a new phenomenon in autistic children, Layla? Autistic children were not being 'upfront about being trans' five or ten years ago. They are the canary in the social contagion coalmine. Vulnerable children. It is disgraceful that adults are enabling this.

Michele Moore did a great job and managed to raise some really important issues. It's not just that a child confides in a teacher that they might be questioning their gender - there have been cases of schools starting to refer to child as the opposite sex and parents only finding out at parents evening - now that is totally wrong.

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(No idea which will go forward!)

Woman's Hour today Tuesday 27 November safeguarding trans kids www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3435634-Womans-Hour-today-Tuesday-27-November-safeguarding-trans-kids

Great to hear an actual discussion, and thank you Woman's Hour for tackling this head on. And I give credit to Layla for saying that she hadn't heard about transitioning being suggested as a "cure" for autism, and saying that if that is true, it is abhorrent. But she is definitely a true believer of the gendered, immutable soul.

Now we need a discussion about the girls and young women who are undiagnosed with autism, don't know why it is they can't fit in with their peers, and latch on to being transgender as the reason why. Multiple whammy: no sense of identity; terrible mental health problems; sterilization and surgical alteration; still no sense of identity.....

DD2 came home from school one day saying it was the BEST day of her life. The teacher who is head of her year group had accidentally emailed the minutes of a staff meeting to all the children rather than all the teachers. Nothing unprofessional but a lot of personal details such as parent problems and illness, not to mention the poor behaviour standards of DD's class.
The girls spent all their lunch hour glued to their phones and discussing the revelations.
DD1 exclaimed "Oh that's why poor Mrs X looked so stressed when I saw her, she said she was having the worst day of her life".
Shit happens. And one way or another the news of a child's new trans identity will get back to the parents so it must surely be better for the School to act professionally and contact the parents for a discussion because it won't look good when the accidental email or misgendering on a letter or whatever happens and the parents hit the roof.

Quite apart from all the other issues.

Sorry that should read.

Layla unaware, that autistic children being pulled in to the trans ideology.

Ooooh and how clever to put a piece of racial appropriation right after..,

Ah.

Layla hasn't actually got any idea about this. As per autism comment.

Plus, believe me, mainstream teaching if a few asd children really means you don't know much about autism. (And I can say that as a previous mainstream now sen teacher)

She's had her head in politics for a while so she's out of touch.

Does that include girls ?

Doesn't anyone have even a smidgeon of common sense? I don't see how a child can possibly have a trans identity at school and go back to their birth sex at home and that stay secret for long. Do they change clothes when they get to school? Parents will hear on the grapevine sooner or later so it is surely better that the discussion is had at School before they hear via another route.

Layla hypothesising now. Looking into souls can't be far behind.

Michelle is very clearly stating her position.
Not intervening with irreversible procedures.

Layla unaware of the autistic connection.

What a load of bollocks

Jane should ask why the majority of kids coming out as trans are female whilst the majority of adults coming out as trans are men.

Layla has a holistic head on, not medical or wider psychological head.

Layla says you can't make someone trans.

They just are, therefore children should be supported in their wish.

Layla so far coming across more reasonably that the other pro trans interviewees. But then she is not a man pretending to be a woman.

Layla is very much coming at this from how the children are bullying each other and how children feel unable to talk to their parents about these things - which is fine and I understand what she means.

She's missing a different POV within safeguarding. Of coercion, grooming and of course actual sex based protections.

Ha ha an x teacher who actually doesn't know what safeguarding is

I'm literally boggling. Honest to Betsy, if my kids were still little, I'd seriously be thinking of home educating. Teachers without even a basic understanding of safeguarding.

Yes Layla, but being gay does not result in having your breasts cut off.

Layla disagrees about this concern.