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Another pregnant "man" and the LGBs having none of it (see comments)

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SignMeUp · 27/11/2018 07:37

www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/11/13/im-pregnant-im-not-woman

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Stickmanslittleleaf · 27/11/2018 21:06

I don't generally give a fuck what other people want to do but it makes me sad that they don't want to be their child's mother. A child needs a mother. I will all day long call them 'they' if it makes them happy and I don't forget. But there is a baby coming into this. A baby can thrive without a mum, whether no biological one or 2 dads it can be fine, as long as it is nurtured but this baby has a mum who doesn't want to be it's mum. But will keep it anyway. You are it's MUM.

PositiveVibez · 27/11/2018 19:53

*would be

PositiveVibez · 27/11/2018 19:53

This sentence in one of the comments made me laugh:

'the language around pregnancy is very cisheteronormative'

Erm well it would FFS 🤣

Cagliostro · 27/11/2018 19:45

Good luck with the induction em (but don’t assume baby’s gender of course) 💐😀

HalloumiGus · 27/11/2018 18:55

The world has gone mad altogether.

I was a classic tomboy with short hair. In fact I was mistaken for a boy several times pre boobs. It didn't make me a magical non binary unicorn. It just made me a female with short hair who hated make up and liked roaming about like a street urchin.

The comments are hilarious. 'Woman has sex with husband and gets pregnant. Dull.'

Avegemitesandwich · 27/11/2018 18:12

This person has perfectly illustrated that, no matter how much she might want to, a woman cannot identify out of her female body.

Which is what most of us have been saying all along isn't it?

Grauniad · 27/11/2018 18:06

To be fair, there are names other than Mum and Dad. One of my more hippy friends at school called her parents Mamma and Ted, for god knows what combined reason. She could just use her name (though
Wor-wy is quite hard for toddlers to pwonounce).

Grauniad · 27/11/2018 18:03

What if her darling baby girl has a really grumpy face?

One of mine looked like a tortoise.

FloralBunting · 27/11/2018 17:57

If the TARDIS was involved, the story of a heterosexual couple conceiving and having a child would be about as interesting as the stories in the new series of Doctor Who have been so far...

Yeah. I said it.

IreneWinters · 27/11/2018 17:53

I am so excited to meet my baby girl. To hold her and to kiss her sweet face. But I’m most excited for the day when she’s finally old enough that I can sit her down and come out to her. I won’t be my daughter’s mom. But I’ll be the best damn parent I can be.

So she’s most looking forward to her poor child being old enough to play the role she has been given in her mother’s fantasy? What will happen if the kid says “yeah, whatever mom, have you washed my jeans?” instead of “wow, non-binary parent, you’re so brave”?

Also, if she’s not going to identify as the baby’s mother, what will she have to call her? Dum? Mad?

VickyEadie · 27/11/2018 17:51

Genuine question, how can you be non binary and trans masculine? Isn't that a contradiction or have I misunderstood something?

I think we'd all love some clarification on this.

NoseringGirl · 27/11/2018 17:50

Genuine question, how can you be non binary and trans masculine? Isn't that a contradiction or have I misunderstood something?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/11/2018 17:25

Is the Tardis involved somehow

I wish the tardis was involved

It would make a lot more sense

Grauniad · 27/11/2018 17:17

married straight people having a baby. What exactly does any of that have to do with LGB issues?

But, but... one of them has short dyed hair! That's got to count for something!

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 27/11/2018 16:38

Oh ffs!

Totally agree luna.

lunamoth581 · 27/11/2018 15:48

If I were LGB, I’d be absolutely pissed that a news outlet meant to cover LGB interests was giving column space to an opposite sex attracted female human being who was impregnated be their husband.

Y’know, married straight people having a baby. What exactly does any of that have to do with LGB issues? People aren’t going to be freaked out by a married straight couple having a baby.

And “agender, non-binary and trans masculine?” That’s both redundant and contradictory. Certainly “agender” and “non-binary” are the same basic idea, right? And how can one simultaneously have no gender but also be “trans masculine?” That just smacks of special snowflakery.

Mamaryllis · 27/11/2018 15:03

I don't think for one minute they don't know they will get pregnant. It's just an extension of narcissism 'oh I'll claim to be a pregnant man, the will earn me woke cookies' and the whole charade enables them to do something perfectly ordinary and get praised for it. Utter narcissism. I don't buy the faux shock - that's just for effect. They might be entirely self-centred, but they aren't stupid. They know full well that what they re doing is heterosexual sex and will result in pregnancy. They are just deliberately spinning it because the idea of being yet another nobody mother makes them want to eat their own face.

emwithme · 27/11/2018 14:58

This does my tits in.

Penis in vagina sex makes baby non-shocker.

However I was surprised at just how "female" my body has felt over the past few months of my pregnancy (I'm midway through being induced!) and I haven't spent my entire life trying to con myself that I'm not a woman (I've just got on with living, wearing trousers and flat shoes!) so I can see how this has hit her like a ton of bricks.

For me it became stronger knowing I was having a girl. I felt the link to previous generations much more (even though I was raised in a very matriarchal family where Gran was In Charge) knowing that via mum I had been inside my grandma, and that my potential grandbabies are inside me now.

But mainly she should stop navel gazing and grow up.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/11/2018 14:52

I remain confused as to how this person thought that a feeling in their head that they've decided to call "gender" would prevent them from getting pregnant. Dear idealistic young people, please consider condoms instead of wishful thinking as your method of contraception.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 27/11/2018 14:47

I read that but all I heard in my head was "mememememememe meeeeeeeeee" good luck hanging onto your navel gazing once you're responsible day and night for a living, breathing, puking, nappy filling baby. Seriously, these people are just bored, surely?. It'd be nice if they put as much energy into helping others as they do into navel gazing. I hope for the baby's sake that the narcissism dials down a bit once they're born.

drspouse · 27/11/2018 14:19

Wasn't there a study showing that gay, lesbian and transgender teens were getting pregnant at a much greater rate than straight, "non-trans" teens?
Presumably for the same reasons - "I'm not cis hetero so I can't get pregnant".

Hidingtonothing · 27/11/2018 14:19

Danaquestionseverything, I see the comparison with talent shows too, that whole 'but I want this soooo much' attitude like there's an entitlement just because it's something they want. I'm all for encouraging kids but teaching them they can have anything just because they want it is just not realistic. But then reality seems to be becoming an outdated notion these days, it's all about feelings and beliefs and ignoring actual facts (like biology), it's madness Confused

MandalaYogaTapestry · 27/11/2018 14:15

You see femme, femme, femme because you are female, female, female.

Shock Surprise Shock

WomaninBoots · 27/11/2018 14:06

Mind you, given the inability to connect actions with consequences and have rational thought, they probably ARE quite brave to leave the house every day.

WomaninBoots · 27/11/2018 14:02

Has PIV sex. Thinks "being masculine/non-binary/bullshit-merchant" would have prevented pregnancy? (That seems to be what is being said given the level of shock at pregnancy expressed). Is "brave" according to some comments?

Eh?

Blimey.