Cissexual Vagphobia

It seems you can catch stupid after all.
All this makes me need a lie down.
It's the sexual preferences & gender id equivalent of 47 double negatives in a sentence.
I can't follow it but I'm hoping the self-identifiers, in their quest to be the most oppressed, manage to eventually cancel out each others arguments.

Who is Mary Sue? 😳

I read that implant page. Bloody hell

This is ‘Mary Sue’ fanfic broadcast to millions of viewers every week night.

Snorting with laughter at this. So true.

And Archery is right: slash fiction, as written by women for women, is in part about constructing a fictional space in which to examine what a romantic relationship could look like stripped of the power imbalance inherent in popular culture's depictions of het relationships. It's not about depicting realistic gay relationships or hook up culture. And most adult readers will realise this, but 13 year olds won't necessarily.

At times I miss having no-bullshit characters like Blanche in Coronation Street. There’s no way she’d play along with this stuff.

I think soaps are playing h to this too.

There’s a transman character in Emmerdale now. Half an hour after startling his mother with the fact he’s now a man everyone in the entire village accepts he’s a man, and the hottest teen girl in the show has fallen for him.

This is ‘Mary Sue’ fanfic broadcast to millions of viewers every week night.

It's interesting that the Guardian is currently running a series about the horrific impact of poorly-tested and poorly-regulated medical implants.

I wonder if anyone at the Guardian is capable of joining the dots.

www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2018/nov/27/untested-and-unsafe-the-medical-implants-scandal

They either have to live with their original genitals and be “rejected” or risk bottom surgery which may end up not fully functioning and with no sensation

yes, this. Transmen often pass really well. So well that I think it's unlikely that lesbians or straight men would find them attractive.

But as discussed above, gay men tend to want - yunno - 2 penises in the relationship

and straight women tend to want at least one penis around.

so dating must be pretty tricky I think.

Thanks both. I shall refrain from opening the link until my DCs aren’t next to me :o

But why why why are girls being encouraged down that road :(

Voila!

www.trans-health.com/2013/penile-implants-guide/

There are three different types to choose from. Apparently.

One sounds like a fleshy pipe cleaner, frankly. Or one of those foamy poseable toys from the 70s. The Bendy Bully of genital surgery.

I think in some cases there's a pump in one of the pretendy bollocks and the squeeze it to inflate the neophallus, like what you'd do if your bike tire went flat.

Which I'm sure is super erotic for everyone involved.

Erectile mechanism?

I’m scared to google that. 😳 Would you mind elaborating please?

Depending on the type of erectile mechanism chosen, transmen have to get their ‘penis’ overhauled every 5-20 years, so even if they are lucky enough to get a decent surgical outcome the first time, they still have more risk to face.

That’s what struck me about the two trans men on that channel four programme the other day. They either have to live with their original genitals and be “rejected” (or surely not feeling right about using those genitals for sex, since they are in the wrong sex) or risk bottom surgery which may end up not fully functioning and with no sensation.

Teens, especially if they’ve not gone through puberty and the accompanying increase in libido etc, can’t possibly comprehend the long term consequences of such a decision.

Much as I feel a bit ick even contemplating the sex lives of others it makes me so sad that they are condemning themselves to potentially missing out on such a huge part of adult life.

I think there's several intertwining things happening here:

Girls and young women - completely understandably - are wanting to remove themselves from girlhood/womanhood, because girls and women get such shit in life, and during puberty this is a real shocker. They also see how transwomen are validated and celebrated, and their wants and needs met, in a way that actual girls and women's are not. Being trans from this perspective looks awfully attractive.

Girls and young women are also being told that they can genuinely, really, truly change sex. That they will be loved and affirmed for being their "true" male selves, and everyone will celebrate them as actual men - and since actual men are celebrated all the fucking time, this is a very attractive proposition.

The third, related thing: girls and young women who hang out on places like tumblr (where they will have it constantly affirmed that it is indeed possible to change sex) may well also be reading slash (m/m) fanfic. Now, I'm not knocking slashfic at all - I really enjoy the thing of reading, at one remove, romances where I don't have to think about the gendered expectations put on women in relationships - but they are idealised, mostly are written by women and not by gay men, and they are fiction. But if I was very, very young, and was convinced I could really, truly become a man, I would find these fantasy depictions of wonderful gay male relationships - where of course the heroes could never be so mean and transphobic to differentiate between men who have dicks and men who don't - very attractive indeed.

Hence straight girls and young women falling into the trap that gay men will accept them as gay men too.

Gay men, being men and therefore not having a lifetime of "be nice, put your own needs last" drummed into them, make no bones about wanting dick and being completely uninterested in female bodies.

Cue all this anguish from these young straight women who have had their castles in the air shot down.

My favourite description is 'Vagina Decliner'

I have nothing more to say on this ridiculousness.

Agree Badstyley .

I increasingly feel as if I'm in a Monty Python sketch - perhaps the dead parrot one, where I'm shouting, "That parrot is definitely deceased!" and the other person is saying, "The Norwegian Blue prefers kipping on its back!" The effort of trying to justify an entirely sane position that shouldn't need justifying to someone who is arguing a completely insane position is utterly exhausting.

It wouldn't be so bad if it was just one insane person. But they seem to be everywhere - in government, in newspapers, on the tv. The whole world is full of people insisting that the parrot isn't dead, it's just shagged out after a long squawk.

One thing this does show is that counselling/gatekeeping should be compulsory before being prescribed hormones or surgery. Understanding the consequences of believing you will become a 'lesbian' transwoman or a 'gay' transman might save a lot of heartache further down the line.

The expectations of this person are completely unrealistic.

It's progress.

It's taken a while but now gay men, not just gay women are being called out on their genital fetishes.

In other news, I recently told my husband about the ‘vagina fetishist’ thing.

He’d like it on a t shirt, if anyone is thinking about printing some up in time for Xmas?

So presumably everyone who uses this word is equally happy to have sex with a penis or a vagina

I know gay men who I know full well don’t like fanny, in fact they are positively repulsed by it, yet they happily chant the TWAW and TMAM mantra. Maybe if these gay men stopped telling lies people like the poster in the OP wouldn’t be in such a mess. That goes for some lesbians I know too. They know full well what men and women are and they know very well they’re homosexual. What they are doing isn’t kind, it’s damaging peoples’ mental health and their lives, and it’s damaging their fellow gay men and lesbians.

Let me get this straight. Dislikes their own vagina, only dates boys BUT the rest of us with our genital preferences are transphobic? Wouldn't his own self-hatred and preference make him transphobic as well?

Retiring under a bridge definitely sounds like something a troll might do.