Cissexual Vagphobia

If I didn't know how completely insane the world of today is, I'd assume this person was complaining about allegedly heterosexual men who don't like pubic hair, don't like larger inner labia and act like vaginas smell of fish.

It'd be a valid complain. Many men who claim to be hetero don't really like anything about a woman's natural, normal body.

But of course, if you try to date gay men... it is really your own fault when they predictably aren't interested in your vagina.

SuperLambBananas

Completly agree. In an ideal world sex and attraction would be all on personality and people that are disabled, disfigured, just hit with the ugly stick would be able to find love and sex as easily as everyone else. The sky would be full of rainbows, we could all be who we want, and do what we want, no one would have hurt feelz or be judged.

But thats not real life. If you look like a bloke and have a vag, your going to find it very hard to meet one partner, let alone lots to be able to enjoy casual sexual relationships. If you look like a woman (sort of) and have a wang, your dating pool will be larger but limited mainly to those with a fetish for your "unusual" attributes.

Schools need to take some responsibility and prepare kids for the real world. This whole rhetoric falls into the current "snowflake" mentality of young people.

They are just limiting themselves to people who only fancy trans people I guess.

Straight men will not be interested in Spoopy as Spoopy looks very much like a man.

Does nobody stop and think that turning your body into something that nobody is attracted to might affect relationships?

I've yet to hear of somebody who is attracted to male secondary sexual characteristics but female primary ones, or vice versa.

We need to move away from the prudish idea that it's simply what's inside that counts. Sex and sexual attraction are an important part of most relationships!

And by it, I mean the fact, not the person, lest anyone misconstrue.

Yes, the trans character in Emmerdale is played by a trans actor. I only know because Digital Spy does really shite articles about it.

More batshittery. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at these idiots.

I suspect that having to rustle around down the back of the sofa for the missing remote will rather ruin the moment.

The remote would always be missing in our household

"Sorry, love, I can't tonight, the batteries in the remote are dead."

I just read a few of the comments on the penile implant article.
Apparently there are remote control implants being developed. Can't imagine the fall out if that got hacked…

He was not given a fucking gite and 100ft of parchment and let loose in a political party to argue the rights of man and the benefits of a 10 day week.

Oh this made me HOWL

(Obviously not at the suffering of your friend - well done him for sticking with therapy)

So according to the person whose tweet Kat quoted the majority of cocksucking done by men is done to transwomen?

I mean, it's been a while since I took statistics but that seems unlikely to me. Also, internalized homophobia is a hell of a drug.

Gary Stu

So am I vagphobic if I am totally cool with my own vagina but wouldn’t touch anyone else’s with a barge pole?

You don't like your vagina.
They don't like your vagina.
Let's call the whole thing off.

Pro tip: Gay men don't want to have sex with females. If you like cock, there are millions of straight dudes who are all about the vadge.

I really enjoy the thing of reading, at one remove, romances where I don't have to think about the gendered expectations put on women in relationships

There's some very good essays out there about slash fic being a way for women to escape gender stereotypical restrictions and identify with characters, social power, freedoms that are usually restricted to men.

After all, Uhura gets to stand around in a mini skirt saying 'its your mother on line two captain'. Spock gets guns, has power, is an equal, is a scientist, is stronger, doesn't have to mummy anyone.... etc etc.

It's grossly homophobic, obviously. Gay men should in no way be shamed for not liking a bit of muff.

But I can't really see this as anything other than an attempt to run cover for the rapey cotton ceiling stuff that blokes have been pumping out for quite some time. After all, the cotton ceiling types will appreciate the opportunity to side step the misogynistic, homophobic overtones by saying "No no, the transmen suffer as we do."

Obviously most can see the vast power differential between a transman trying to get gay men to sleep with them, and transwomen playing on the considerable power differential between the male and female bodied of the species.

Ah yes, Kirk/Spock. I know people who were around when the early versions of that were 'zines run off on banda machines.

My first (and frankly, only) experience of one of those was given to me to read by an American friend with whom I stayed in New York back in the early 90s. She'd written it - she is very bright, ivy league college educated and writes well. She said I could take it home to the UK with me if I wanted.

I declined. It made my toes curl.

Ah yes, Kirk/Spock. I know people who were around when the early versions of that were 'zines run off on banda machines.

Though the most depressing sub-genre of slash is alpha/omega, which basically reproduces the power imbalances of 50 shades of shite, with added biological determinism and rapey-ness. (I can only assume its authors have soooo much internalised misogyny they can't help projecting it onto absolutely every relationship setup they can conceive of.)

Anyway, here for your delectation is the original Mary Sue story (deliberately written as parody)
www.deviantart.com/cinderburn/art/The-original-Mary-Sue-story-356068308

Slash fiction began with Kirk/Spock getting it on in science fiction settings that are largely sexless but I always fancied getting a bit of payback writing gay fiction that’s heavily punctuated by pages and pages of technical jargon about quantum fluctuations in the matter transporter and anti-matter containment failures in the warp field generators.

ArcheryAnnie

Now, I'm not knocking slashfic at all - I really enjoy the thing of reading, at one remove, romances where I don't have to think about the gendered expectations put on women in relationships - but they are idealised, mostly are written by women and not by gay men, and they are fiction.

I like M/M slashfic as well, for the same reasons you express - especially with a historical setting, where female characters realistically are so constrained - but I absolutely agree with you about it being potentially misleading for teenage readers. However, even more misleading are the ones about transmen/gay man, one of which I bought by mistake (misleading blurb). The delusional description of how the gay protagonist was abjectly grateful to the transman for the best sex of his life was utterly creepy and disrespectful of gay sexuality.

But in this case they want to be Gary Stu and be the center of the adoring attention of lots of gay tops.

The people playing along with this nonsense really aren't doing the ones who believe in it any favors, given that they were bound to hit the brick wall of other people's sexual orientations eventually.

This is ‘Mary Sue’ fanfic broadcast to millions of viewers every week night

So true!

Mary Sue is a fanfic trope whereby the (female) writer writes a female heroine who is an idealised version of the writer, who every male character falls in love with and every female character wants to be.

It's a way of protecting yourself into an idealised world where all your problems have vanished and your life is perfect.