Allow prostitution in care homes

I think we also have to take note of the fact that this is typical Trojan horse tactics on the part of the pro-pimping lobby.

Of course it is lovely if older people are facilitated in having consensual relationships, or given the space and privacy to pursue their sex lives, whether alone or consensually with others. Big fan of that. Who wouldn't be?

But what's being done here is deliberately piggy-backing on the right of people to pursue consensual relationships or quietly masturbate in the privacy of their own rooms, and tack onto it an entirely spurious "right" to buy access to women's bodies - something which is highly detrimental to women as a group, and poorer women in particular. The testimonies of exited women show us that for every "happy hooker" there's a dozen or more women forced into prostitution through poverty, mostly groomed into it while still under age, subject to rates of assault, rape and even murder far in excess of the female population as a whole. And there's no need for it. Because no man ever died from lack of an orgasm, no man ever had his dick fall off from lack of use, blue balls are a myth.

I'd sooner sex work than cleaning jobs tbh. There's nothing wrong with cleaning, I'm just not very good at it and find it a lot of hard work for not enough pay

I imagine people who sell illegal drugs would say much the same about their line of work. Doesn't mean it's right.

I think it's lovely, just because you are old doesn't mean you should stop having sex.

And what's the difference between this and incels who argue that because they can't persuade any women to sleep with them, women should be provided for them?

The fact is that many people who want a shag can't get one for a range of reasons. You don't have a 'human right' to have a body provided for you to shag.

I think it's lovely, just because you are old doesn't mean you should stop having sex.
The research from man Uni stated that some had asked for prostitutes, not that they were suggesting it.
A move towards the do not disturb signs and double beds, privacy etc is a good idea and should really be in place already.

I guess the trouble is believing anyone has a view opposing your own on this board. Women cannot possibly want to engage in sex work here. Because a lot of women wouldn't, no one can.

I'd sooner sex work than cleaning jobs tbh. There's nothing wrong with cleaning, I'm just not very good at it and find it a lot of hard work for not enough pay... But obvs that means I'm not a feminist because my preferences aren't exactly in line with what they 'should' be or something

But why does it have to be all about men's orgasms? Presumably the prostitutes are more likely for men but it also discusses porn & masturbation.

Given there's a thread on here about why vibrators are better than men- given the success of 50shades etc- given women live longer on average... Why is this considered all about men's orgasms? Presumably because women's libidos have always been downplayed.

This is about sex & sexuality in a care home environment. Women & men should have access to masturbation, pornography in their residence, as long as boundaries are enforced around privacy. Surely a do not disturb sign would prevent any offended parties.

Payment is coercion. Coerced consent is not consent. Not consent is rape. Hth
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Posters frequent this board quite often with tales of "oh I lurved my prostirution work it really gave me my jollies" but most people don't buy it (excluding users of prostitutes) because it's blindingly obvious what's involved.

Yes, I'd love to know about employees contracts, Chewy.

Pharamcist wants an opt out from providing the MAP? Fine, we uphold their right to their own moral views. And the people affected are only women, after all.

Care worker on minimum wage (predominantly women) wanting an opt out from colluding in providing prostitutes? What's the betting the answer is "very much not fine, sunshine, you need the dosh now suck it up." After all, in this case, the people affected are men, and heaven forfend anything get between a man and his god-given right to have an orgasm, whatever the cost.

Another who agrees with Fermats.
Desiderata says "Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth".
Which includes fucking prostitutes.
Fucking prostitutes is not a human right.

paI’d be interested to know how this piece of work came about- did care home workers see an issue and lobby the RCN to produce guidelines, was it families of residents?? Just exactly who is pushing the agenda to annihilate the boundaries of women (it is mainly women who work as carers). On another note how will care home owners write this into job descriptions when staff are often already hard to retain - staff needed for care duties including procurement of prostitutes, assisting patients to have fulfilling sex lives.
It may be a home for residents but it is a workplace for the poor staff who have to work there. Actually what about other residents too or does the need for men to have sex outweigh everything?

Another argument for the Nordic model. No care worker can be required to facilitate the purchase of sex if it's a criminal offence.

Yes it's a wedge issue. Just think about the implications of establishing the principle that adult men have a right to sex which overrides the rights of people who aren't adult men to not have unwanted sex or to work in an environment free from sexual demands

It's only coercion if not sought and the recipient has no other option. Again perhaps it's only my involvement in the BDSM side but I enjoyed sex work and the pros (some of whom have sexual contact with clients, some of whom don't) who make a career out of it enjoy it to. I was a pro sub and I was certainly not coerced.

Also self control is surely meaning limiting sexual behaviour to a private space, ie your own room with a do not disturb sign up?

Oh no. IT's BACK!

Remember the PIE pamphlet Tatchel contributed to?

Tuppy Owens who did an article with founder Tom O'Carrol in the same pamphlet is really pro sex industry and pushes it as a human right for disabled people. She recruits members of her Outsiders dating group for disabled people to picket for sex industry interests.

Catherine Stephens who had/has (?) an agency for providing prostituted women to disabled men is also very pushy on this issue.

It's a cunning ploy to make punters seem harmless.

Seems like their bullshit is trickling down.

Payment is coercion. Coerced consent is not consent. Not consent is rape. Hth.

You (general you) treat your sexual desires like all mature people should. With self control and respect for yourself and your partner (and your family/nurses!) If you can't do that, then I don't feel sorry for you - I feel sorry for the people you're abusing.

Having sex isn't a right. Access to porn isn't a right. Men have been playing the pity card forever. Tough. Shit.

1. If it's a care home, it's staffed by care workers, not nurses. Nursing homes have nurses, although still the bulk of the staff will be care workers. Doesn't change the issues, just annoys me when the newspapers always say nurses.

1. What about single housebound people?Should we be offering them prostitutes, or buying them porn mags? What's so special about care homes?

1. That Reg and Mary situation is fucked up. I would hate to be forced into a position where I have to collude in someone else's infidelity.

But it's not about being 'woke' it's about conflating all the different issues addressed in that article.

Obvs booking a prostitute (which is also not rape? I have friends in the sex industry, used to do some pay for play stuff myself, trafficking is not all prostitution) is a different issue to allowing them privacy & pornography use in their own rooms.

There's different lines of appropriate, asking nurses to masturbate them is obviously not okay, being allowed the respectful privacy to masturbate or engage sexually with partners is okay.

And yes I have of course considered that he is aging but I don't spend all my time thinking about what kind of sex we'll be having in 20 years time. I don't want to have to think about putting the man I love in a care home. I will probably have to one day, but it's hardly a happy line of thought.

Also it's a shame women aren't allowed to treat their sexual desires the same way. Older women using vibrators/ male company should also be addressed.

Nope, if ou have got to an age where you can't engage in the activities you used to, freely, and with the consent of the other participants, then you just have to accept that that part of your life is done.

If you can't get sex consensually, sorry, tough shit. Live without. It's not gonna kill you.

Hear, hear.

How many old women are asking for young male escorts to be shipped in, I wonder?

When I was 20 and in one of my first serious jobs, I was FORCED by my employer to handle pornography both in print and online. I left the job after about 6 weeks when I couldn't endure it anymore. He found a way to twist my job description so it covered handling HIS personal pornography. It was horrible. Of course it was sexual harassment.

NO woman should be put in the position of having to facilitate a man's porn habit just so she can feed her family. Disgraceful.

Also, let's be honest here, realistically not every resident of any old people's home is going to be a sweet old man who still has "needs"

Indeed. Paedophiles, rapists and all other manner of unpleasant people also get old and my sympathy is firmly with the care workers having to deal with them.

Rixera dehumanising to deny someone what they are into just because it's weird. Wow you are so cool and amazingly woke, the rest of are just seriously upright. You are seriously saying that at what 20 odd you never considered your 60+ year old partner is aging.……

I would be deeply, DEEPLY offended if I was told to facilitate any of this as part of my work. Sorry for the old people not being able to carry on as before but nurses are not sex workers and I don't approve of porn and there's no way I would agree to do any of this.
Also, let's be honest here, realistically not every resident of any old people's home is going to be a sweet old man who still has "needs". Sex offenders get old too. So nurses would be expected to help them access websites or masturbate or whatever?

Thankfully it's not a dilemma I will face as I don't work in a care home but I think it's a huge insult to those who do to expect their job description to include this.

Rixera
being denied the sexual practices they have always enjoyed because we find it weird is dehumanising and unfair.

Sorry what?

Not being able to pay to rape someone is dehumanizing now?

I don't feel sorry enough for any man to offer up my sisters to satiate the 'sexual practices' he's spent a lifetime cultivating.

Not getting your elderly dick wet exactly how you like is not fucking dehumanizing.

You know what is dehumanizing? Being sold as a piece of rape meat.

Un. Be. Lievable.

If you can't get sex consensually, sorry, tough shit.

Quite.

What FermatsTheorem said

It’s not about squeamishness with older people’s sexual desires.
It’s about other people, in their paid employment, having to facilitate those desires.