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"Gendered" Insults

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lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 05:19

I put the title in scare quotes due to the fact that the connotations of the word "gender" have changed since I first heard the term, but "gendered insults" are those which rely on reference to sexed anatomy (ie, cunt, twat, bitch, dick, prick, etc).

I am one of those obnoxious people who cares way too much about words. I think they say a lot about us, even when (or hell, especially when) we do not intend them to. At the same time, I do not think the use of specific slurs is in and of itself indicative of underlying bigotry. In reality it seems to be a good indicator of societal - rather than personal - values.

The best way I have figured out to explain my own position is this:

I am an atheist. And yet, in the middle of the night, if I get up to visit the toilet and stub my toe on the corner of the nightstand, I have been known to emphatically swear "Goddammit!"

Not because I, secretly, in my heart of hearts, really do believe in a god, and that if I beseech him appropriately he will smite the offending piece of furniture. But because I have grown up in a culture of people who have religious beliefs and who use "goddammit" as one of the buffet of things you can say when you do something like kick a chair leg at o'dark-thirty in the morning while trying to go have a pee.

So my question is this: how do you feel about these kinds of insults?

I notice that some feminists on this board (and elsewhere) have a negative view on these slurs. Others use them fairly liberally (plenty of women calling people cunts and twats) while still holding feminist views.

Disclaimer: I am American, so my visceral reaction to the word cunt is pretty different from Europeans', though gay men seem to have made it their mission to "reclaim" slurs which were never theirs to begin with (with cunt being first and foremost) and are thereby increasing usage.

Not trying to be goady - I obviously have my own opinions, but I am interested to hear what others believe and why they believe it.

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Notevenmyrealname · 25/11/2018 07:44

I do know women who don’t like “the ‘c’ word” as they insist on calling it but like I say, I’ve never heard it being used as a specifically misogynistic insult so just am not squeamish about it at all. I’m in my early 40s and have been used it since being in my 20s. I’ve also heard (and used) made up derivatives such as ‘cuntery’ and ‘cuntish’ to describe certain behaviour. I think when I was younger, it was less common to hear dick or knobhead directed at women, but I think it’s normal now.
Also, to be clear, I don’t make a habit out of being foul mouthed as I have two small children. I actually don’t swear that much as they’re usually within earshot or I’m in contexts where it’s not appropriate (such as school events), but given the opportunity, I am happy to use the full range of available words in the English language. 😉

BertrandRussell · 25/11/2018 07:35

I'm much older than you, Lydia, and remember a time when cunt was such a vicious, misogynist slur-so deeply rooted in the hatred/fear of women that for me hearing women use it so casually feels like capitulation to the patriarchy. But I have had my arse handed to me several times on here for expressing that opinion that I have to accept that I'm wrong. I don't, actually. I still think I'm right

lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 07:07

Bertrand - I object strongly as well, but I know I am the Mayor of Nofunnington Grin

I am also in my late twenties, if that helps to provide context

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BertrandRussell · 25/11/2018 06:49

I object very strongly to the use of cunt as an insult/swear word. I think it carries too much misogynist history, and in my opinion it is profoundly unfeminist to use it. (I recognise that this is a minority opinion!) Dick and prick are not equivalents-dick in particular has always been milder. Semi affectionate even. I agree they are very rarely used to women. "That's a dick move" is- and my adult daughter will say "Don't be a dick, mate" to men and women friends. But I have never heard "You're a dick" or "You're a prick" used to a woman. Could be my age or where I live?

lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 06:07

I must say that I have never heard a woman being called a dick/prick (which is not to say it doesn't happen), while calling men various words for female genitals does seem to be the go-to if your intent is to degrade them.

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Notevenmyrealname · 25/11/2018 05:59

I’ve always thought it interesting (in the sense that it gives you a real sense of how unspeakable women’s bodily functions are perceived) that insults to do with women are stronger than insults to do with men so ‘dick’ and ‘knob’ are fairly mild compared to ‘twat’ and ‘cunt’, however, I personally don’t associate them with being gender specific when using them and am as likely to call a man a twat as I am a woman a dick. It’s more to do with the strength of the swear word and the perceived insult. I have been called names too and obviously while I am insulted at the premise of being sworn at, I’ve never taken exception to the particular word used. I don’t for example associate the word ‘cunt’ with anything misogynistic and just think it’s a particularly strong word so would use it myself in relation to men or women, and while I’d be insulted, I wouldn’t read anything misogynistic into it if I was called it myself. I do tend to reserve it for times when I really want to use a strong insult and weirdly don’t actually like its use in the way it was originally intended i.e. as an anatomical term.

lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 05:55

I suppose that is why I refrain from using these kinds of insults - just because I don't believe their use is indicative of a personal failing doesn't mean I want to contribute to an environment where people are demeaned by being compared to female genitals.

For the sake of ideological consistency, I avoid using male-sexed slurs as well, even though I consider the prick vs cunt divide to be similar to the nigger vs cracker one. Which is to say, they are both slurs, but one has a hell of a lot more social power behind it than the other.

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lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 05:48

I just find it interesting that some words are considered separate from their original meaning while others are not (and not casting aspersions, I recognise this delineation as well). Many of the people I know who call people pussies to mean coward would not say something like "He Jewed me out of my Christmas bonus", or even "That's retarded."

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overmydeadbody · 25/11/2018 05:40

Well, gender is a social construct, and I suppose insults are too, they are tied in with the society they are used in.

We have separated the insult from the original meaning in a lot of cases, but it is important to stop and remember that they often send out a message, subliminal or otherwise. Patriarchy rules and gender stereotypes prevail.

It's interesting looking at insults across cultures too. Often very similar insults, such as son of a bitch in the West and ' your mother is a dog' in the Arab speaking world ( umik kelb), so still insulting women. I guess it all stems from the patriarchy.

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