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NYTimes: A Vagina Won't Make Me Happy - But It's My Right to Get One Anyway

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Vegilante · 25/11/2018 00:30

New opinion piece by "essayist & critic" Andrea Long Chu that says drastic medical interventions such as hormones & genital surgeries should be given on demand to trans people - even when they're so deeply unhappy they feel suicidal, & they're convinced the treatments they're demanding will only make them more miserable.

Why? 1) Because the "true purpose" of medicine's "first do no harm" maxim "is not to shield patients from injury but to install the medical professional as a little king of someone else’s body." And 2) because "the negative passions — grief, self-loathing, shame, regret — are as much a human right as universal health care, or food."

www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.html

Since many people won't be able to access the article, I'll copy & paste it, with apologies to copyright holder(s).

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Weetabixandshreddies · 25/11/2018 06:41

No, doctors do not just give out whatever treatments a patient wants on demand.

Unless they are a cosmetic surgeon then? Surely nothing demonstrates unnecessary surgery better than cosmetic surgery yet where are the campaigns to stop that?

I think banning cosmetic surgery would do way more for women than trying to ban transsexuals.

charlestonchaplin · 25/11/2018 06:39

I immediately thought of this comment from Dr James Barrett who was president of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists when he wrote this in his evidence to the parliamentary Transgender Equality Inquiry.

The same phrase — “informed consent” — seems to the Association to have been borrowed by those suggesting very radical and negative shift in medical practice. It is suggested that provided patients are of sound mind (this amounts to the exclusion of serious mental illness) and understand the nature and consequences of what they request it should, essentially, be the role of the practitioner to fulfil that request. Crucially, there seems to be no recognition or acknowledgement of the view of the practitioner concerned about the merit of the suggested procedure. If actually implemented, this arrangement would leave medical practitioners in the position of having to make diagnoses they do not believe in, prescribe drugs they personally believe will not benefit the patient and undertake surgical procedures that they themselves believe will confer no benefit or cause harm. This is incompatible with medical practice, the first tenet of which is that one should “first, do no harm”.

Is this 'give me what I want' attitude common amongst transgender patients?

Scrumplestiltskin · 25/11/2018 06:30

The author's first (upcoming,) book apparently is on "femaleness as political suicide".
Hmm
Because what the world needs is another bio male telling us what "female" really is. Also, suicide is something you DO. Being female is something you ARE. So how the fuck is it political suicide?? Jfc.

Materialist · 25/11/2018 06:03

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InionEile · 25/11/2018 05:31

I read another piece by this author in which she describes being the (then-male) manager of a girls’ volleyball team and how then-he was given a peek into intimate women’s spaces by virtue of the role then-he had. She found it arousing and romantic to be part of the girls club but sad to be on the edge of it by virtue of her then-male sex.

Sounds like a classic case of AGP to me, a desire for women’s bodies that extends fo wanting to become female too. Of course this is physically impossible so of course even reassignment surgery will leave her dissatisfied and still craving a different body.

That to me is a mental illness in need of therapy and medication, not surgery on demand and the upending of any concept of female-only space to baby the whims and regrets of people like Chu. Her pain is real but it’s not caused by ‘terfs’ or mean doctors or transphobia. It’s all in her own mind.

Materialist · 25/11/2018 05:18

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lunamoth581 · 25/11/2018 05:15

No. This person has absolutely no clue about medical ethics and the medical profession.

No, doctors do not just give out whatever treatments a patient wants on demand. Absolutely not. Especially if those treatments pose more harm than benefit to the patient.

This person is demanding that one of the founding principles of medical practice be overthrown.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 25/11/2018 04:36

That ain't no vagina bruv.

FWRLurker · 25/11/2018 04:20

This is more word salad? What does the word “want care” mean if not “to have this procedure will improve my life”?

If I am deeply convinced that I ought to be 3 inches taller, though I know that it will be horribly painful and expensive and will not make me happy because I will be a mere facsimile of a tall person and by body will work less well... should I be getting surgery?

Maybe I could convince a plastic surgeon who was just looking for a paycheck to do it but I think most would consider this deeply unethical.

No I’m afraid that a degree of gatekeeping is absolutely essential unless we want to force docs to do things they consider unethical.

Perhaps this person would be less miserable if they stopped taking estrogen and got on with their life as they themselves admit transition is not helping their mental health at all. They sound like my husband just before he desisted TBH.

MagicMix · 25/11/2018 00:52

The author is not getting a vagina.

Indeed it must be deeply painful to obsessively desire something that is completely unattainable. I think the author described this very poignantly even though I disagree with their perspective on body modification surgery and find their appropriation of the word vagina extremely offensive.

Vegilante · 25/11/2018 00:36

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