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This may just be a problem of the difference between those game types not being pronounced enough to make a difference.

If you have any inclination to explore the topic further, rather than simply running through the same conjecture, please re-read the section on cognitive loading to see how much of a difference both the virtual environment and the use of directly replayed physical interaction plays a role.

A 3-D game bar involvement of all 5 senses ain't no Holo-Deck.

I doubt the taste and smell aspects will be comparable between a lump of rubber and a living person. If anything, the presence of these differences will act to disconnect the experience further from reality than a scenario where they're purely absent (where the mind is able to fill in the blanks).

But then again, you seem to believe that a heterosexual male is fine with sucking dick

That's a somewhat creepy bit of cyberstalking but I appreciate the effort. I was advising against re-engaging in a debate with a specific 'trump card' of a point in mind and no plan for a subsequent response. My line of reasoning was purely a thought experiment for how a 'woke' person might respond rather than a personal belief.

It seems that you're really not interested in discussing the matter but rather in attacking anyone who disagrees with you, so I won't waste any more of our time. If you wish to make some evidence-based counterpoints, please do so, I'd love to be wrong.

In short, engagement in terms of arousal did not significantly vary between conventional (i.e. 2D screen) and virtual reality games.

This may just be a problem of the difference between those game types not being pronounced enough to make a difference. A 3-D game bar involvement of all 5 senses ain't no Holo-Deck. If you think that one PLOS paper comparing two very similar media and not even involving paraphilia proves your point, you are sorely mistaken.

But then again, you seem to believe that a heterosexual male is fine with sucking dick, as long as the person owning said dick has a beautiful 'feminine' soul and a wig - so logic is probably powerless against your delusions.

if there were Holo-Deck types of violent video games, smell and feel and all, I‘d consider them way more impactful on the players‘ psyche than the currently available ones

I'm terribly sorry to 'make' your point then damage it but it seems a little bit of reading might help clear things up:

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0200724

In short, engagement in terms of arousal did not significantly vary between conventional (i.e. 2D screen) and virtual reality games. Moreover, recall was worse for virtual reality, showing the experience was less impactful.

If anything, I would suggest that an inanimate piece of rubber is even less harmful because the interaction is driven entirely by the user, meaning what specifically takes place is entirely the product of their own thoughts. Video games can potentially be scripted to drive the player towards violent actions and pornography (involving real people) is even worse because it could be perceived as downright instructive.

Gronky Indeed, if there were Holo-Deck types of violent video games, smell and feel and all, I‘d consider them way more impactful on the players‘ psyche than the currently available ones, which I consider more dangerous than packman (even though packman eats his enemies, no less).

Thank you for making my point with this excellent example.

On the one hand I'd rather a man paid for sex with a realistic doll rather than a prostitute.

On the other hand it's really unnerving to think of a man paying for sex with a completely inanimate but realistic looking woman, and also how if they fantasize about slapping or choking or punching a woman during sex (very common in porn) they'll be able to act this out in a realistic way, and who knows where that leads.

You understand, Gronky, that by your own logic there should be no demand for these sex dolls, as, according to you they fulfill the same role

I was exploring your logic (i.e. people don't humanise dildos/isolated orifices). My logic is that people are able to differentiate between a lump of rubber and an actual human being and that these aren't any more of an issue than dildos/isolated orifices. People have different needs and interests.

and equally realistic as an isolated orifice/dildo, which is much cheaper to own exclusively, on top of it?

I'll defer to your expertise on the TCO across the range of sex toys.

Similarly, I would worry that someone would get used to being very violent with dolls with comparatively few consequences and then transfer that behaviour to a real person.

Like violent video games?

Similarly, I would worry that someone would get used to being very violent with dolls with comparatively few consequences and then transfer that behaviour to a real person.

I'm betting prostitutes of the human flesh sort will be the litmus test for how this impacts at least a certain type of man. The sort of behaviour a man who has sex with rapes a prostitute for the first time exhibits is likely to be different if he progresses from fucking a doll first, than if it's the first time he's paid for sex rape.

Maybe there should be a rule that if you have sex with a doll you can only ever have sex with a doll from then on. That would take some d*cks (see what I did there ) out of circulation - and almost certainly the sort that wouldn't be missed.

You understand, Gronky, that by your own logic there should be no demand for these sex dolls, as, according to you they fulfill the same role and equally realistic as an isolated orifice/dildo, which is much cheaper to own exclusively, on top of it?
The very fact that there is a demand for the dolls, disproves your hypothesis.

And?

AFAIK people who use a dildo or orifice are not carried away by the idea that it is a human.

So what purpose do the realistically coloured varieties (in some case, even multiple colours for added realism) serve? Moreover, why do some even include false testicles? I'm not personally familiar with either but perhaps someone who uses those could clear up my potential misconception.

I would be very surprised if regularly fucking a real looking sex doll emulating a silenced 6 year old would not lower the mental barrier to silencing and fucking a lifeless child way more than, say, wanking off to some picture of the H&M kids beachwear catalogue does.

Sorry, PowerShower.

She’d need to be Violet, the absolute dregs that she’d have to listen too.

Gronky the difference is the relative realism. AFAIK people who use a dildo or orifice are not carried away by the idea that it is a human. The whole point of these dolls is to get carried away by the phantasy that they are humans. That is why they are made to look like humans and not like, say, the Grinch.

paraphilia that center around an absence of consent (which is a given in dolls)

How does that differ from a paraphilia created by a dildo or artificial orifice about a similarly non-consenting partner, except that it would lack the unrealistic expectations about partner placement?

Orchid, personally, I'm more unhappy about the demand for pornography being fueled than demand for a lump of metal and rubber.

"Violet", one of the dolls available from Bella Dolls, is a "great listener" according to her dating profile.

Well, Gronky, if you listen to the transwidows on here, certain porn and feminization obsessions played a seminal role in sucking their men into the autogynephilia obsession. Who is to say that it doesn‘t work analogously for other paraphilia, paraphilia that center around an absence of consent (which is a given in dolls)?

I worry that being able to pretend rape a female appearing doll might be a gateway drug for violent misogynistic incel types though.

Yes. I can see how the inevitable frustration could lead to seeking out a prostituted woman in the same way some punters go from strip clubs and take their resentful, misogynist frustration along with them.

I like the idea of the men being trapped by the dolls and milked.

Gosh, and some of the messages here were regarding the weirdness of the clients.

might be a gateway drug for violent misogynistic incel types

The original concept (of gateway drugs) wasn't borne out by the evidence, nor was the hysteria surrounding violent video games. This is conjecture on my part but I imagine an individual acting out a bizarre fantasy with a tangible object is less likely to be motivated to repeat it inappropriately than someone that plays out the same fantasy in a video game because the experience will be more unpleasantly visceral.

Are women (and men) who use realistically coloured dildos a risk category for going around removing penises or taking advantage of unconscious, mute partners?

I read Demon Seed back in the day. The film was dreadful.
Ex Machina is about a man playing with robot women.

Could have the Stepford husbands?

Prostitution is about being able to control and violate an actual human. That's what punters get off on.

Yes. I worry that being able to pretend rape a female appearing doll might be a gateway drug for violent misogynistic incel types though.

I like the idea of the men being trapped by the dolls and milked. With a tad of the Shining - a weird place where they can‘t escape (yourself) and it drives them nuts. And when they finally do escape, millennia have passed and civilization is gone - a flavor of the original planet of the apes ending...

Some men are just really, really weird.