I Don’t Want to Talk About Trans Any More

The tide is turning. There have been more and more articles in newspapers about the lunacy of it all.

gendercritter, doesn't your friend understand that it's not the X chromosome at issue, but the Y?

The fact that she lacks an X chromosome does not make her any less of a woman than someone with the standard XX chromosomes. What makes her a woman, just the same as any woman regardless of the number of X chromosomes she has, is the absence of a Y chromosome.

VerbeenaBeeks

Anyone can start a thread on anything that feminists might want to discuss on here.

You're perfectly free to do so, should you want to start a discussion on something else.

"I don't want to talk about trans anymore but I'll start another thread so there's another thread for us all to talk trans on."

Erm.... okay, that makes sense lol.

I got a fairly loaded pushback on a comment I made on a public GC FB page recently, from a lesbian friend. She's quite butch and confident, but you could tell from her words that she was on the verge of accusing me of all sorts.

I'm in the same boat with a friend although in her case she has Turner syndrome. She is furious with rad fems because supposedly we're being exclusive in saying women are just people with XX chromosomes because as a woman with just one X chromosome, where does that leave her? We're being horribly exclusive apparently. I know full well how I want to respond to her on that issue but she's beyond listening and only getting more and more sucked in by some people who are quite aggressive in their views. It's distressing.

Totally agree OP. I increasingly feel sick to the back teeth of having it occupy headspace - and I am involved to about 0.1% of the degree that some of the posters here and elsewhere that I follow!

I got a fairly loaded pushback on a comment I made on a public GC FB page recently, from a lesbian friend. She's quite butch and confident, but you could tell from her words that she was on the verge of accusing me of all sorts.

I simply didn't have the energy to have the discussion with her because I could see it going immediately to transphobia jail, do not pass go, do not collect £200 - and I'd lose a friend and she'd still not see the lesbophobia happening under her very nose.

It's never too late to discover Mumsnet, Welsh!

Thanks EmpressAdultHumanFemale

Unfortunately living in rural Mid-Wales there are unlikely to be meetings I can get to easily, which is why I'm so glad to have finally discovered Mumsnet - at 72!

Me too!

Agree on the amazing women. I've met loads and am inspired by the resurgence of real actual feminism.

Me too ... it's all so tedious. It's like dealing with small children weedling and pushing boundaries. Just No. Can we not just put them on the naughty step until they behave?

The flip side though, & I know I've said this several times by now, is the fucking amazing women you meet along the way. Do go to an event if at all possible. The energy levels there are extraordinary & it's fantastic to meet people you've talked to / seen online IRL.

Absolutely second this.

But I do sympathise with those who have been battling for much longer than me. It is quite exhausting trying to deal with such misuse of language and warped thinking.

That's why it's so important to have new women coming in all the time, so it's great that you're here. Welshbookworm.

Every so often I just go offline completely for an evening or a day & put it all out of my mind for a bit. It's not like it won't still be there when I come back...

The flip side though, & I know I've said this several times by now, is the fucking amazing women you meet along the way. Do go to an event if at all possible. The energy levels there are extraordinary & it's fantastic to meet people you've talked to / seen online IRL.

We are all in this together.

It's a relay though - any particular person who needs a rest can take one and someone else will grab the baton instead. Bluntly, there are more of us than there are of them.

As someone who has come very late to this battle, I'm willing to keep on fighting what I see as an enormous threat to the rights and safety of women and children. But I do sympathise with those who have been battling for much longer than me. It is quite exhausting trying to deal with such misuse of language and warped thinking.

@Empress, thank you for all you do.

Thank you Toe, and thank you for all you do too. The more of us PUULLLLLing, the more things will move!!!

Completely agree, Toe. These days I couldn’t give a shiny shite about trans rights, I have nothing left to give them. They have taken so much from women and girls.

I think that I genuinely hate TRAs in a way I’ve never hater a particular group ever before,

Safeguarding and children
Safeguarding and children.
This is the group that is being weaponised with trans groups actively targeting children in schools to peddle this rubbish to. Whenever I am exhausted by it all ( and that happens a lot) I just go and take a look at the gaslighting materials that some trans groups are using and the online stuff aimed at teenagers - and I know we have no alternative.
So not only are we fighting for women's rights we are battling a self centred MRA movement cynically targeting children.
It's exhausting but knowing that parents don't realise the extent of what is happening makes me realise that we have to KOKO.

Very interesting what those of you brought up in religious environments are saying about recognising this. Makes total sense.

I wasn’t brought up that way but I was brought up in an abusive environment, one that was also deeply misogynist and hostile to me as a girl despite a great deal of lip service being paid to the concept of equality. And I recognise all that in transactivism too.

I would love to be able to move on from transactivism, the way I moved on from my abusive family, but unfortunately I don’t have that power.

I was able to go NC with my family so I don’t have to deal with them any more.

I do have to deal with the fact that transactivists are doing their level best to change the laws and culture of the country I live in, and my DC are growing up in, in a way that is utterly prejudicial to women’s and children’s rights and safety and inconsistent with rational thought and free speech. And they’re doing so with truly alarming rates of success.

You can’t just move on from abuse while you’re still being abused, living in the abusive environment. Move on where? There is nowhere for us to flee to, no refuge, no safe space where this outrage isn’t happening.

We can’t do anything but fight it, to the best of our ability. And to do that, we need to keep talking about it, sharing information and supporting each other; however much we wish - and I think we all wish - we didn’t have to do it.

I really feel very positive right now-the TRAs have a proven track record of behaving appallingly. Even today Megan Murphy has been banned from twitter for saying men aren’t women. This is going to blow up in their face! There are many, many more women than stupid little boys who wish to silence us.
The recent trans kids programme will have exposed a lot of truths, which some people just won’t have thought of before.
We know MPs are not sure about self ID they’re nervous of saying so publicly but the cats out the bag now & we are all doing our best to spread the word & our biggest strength as always will be Safeguarding children.

I'm lesbian, & the LGBTetc acronym & the rainbow both feel actively hostile to lesbians nowadays as far as I'm concerned.

Me. Too. And Stonewall could come crawling on their hands and knees begging for forgiveness and I will never, ever trust them again.

I’ve noticed that the majority of conversations about trans issues have been driven by articles in the news, like those written by Janice Turner etc, and as a direct result of actions of groups like WPUK and FairPlay For Women (adverts in the Metro etc)

Who do you think groups like WPUK & FPFW are exactly? Radfem shock troops parachuted in by the US fundamentalist right-wingers I hear are meant to be funding us?

We're ordinary, grass-roots, worried & angry women, from a wide range of backgrounds, who got involved because we saw the need to do something.

I get it OP.
Especially as we have to reiterate what the purpose of existing safeguards are over and over, and still there's no engagement with the fact that self-id poses a risk.
Amazing that they've locked on to some big, complicated, conceptual (imaginary) ideas about gender and are accepting them as truth, and yet they can't even think in a fucking straight line about the knock on effect of moving safeguarding boundaries. It isn't string theory, it's so obvious.