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Not sure I am on board with feminism any more.

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 03:11

When I was first presented with feminism, I was sceptical. Then I saw the light, I was a convert. But recently I don't know what I think any more.

First of all let me say that I'm 100% opn board with women. But I'm deeply concerned about today;s feminism and its message.

This is the message that our young people are being repeatedly schools and media, about women:

A woman is a victim
A woman will be beleived
Femininity is precious
A woman is strong
A woman is empowered
A woman can be anytrhing she wants to be.

So far .... I'm 100% behind that; But lets look at the message our education programs and media messaging is telling to our children about men:

Men are violent
Men are abusers
Men are rapists
Men are not to be trusted
Masculinity is toxic
Men are dispensable
Men should stand aside

What young boy hearing this isn't going to be deeply confused. How are boys going to grow up as strong, responsible, confident and useful if we don't tell them that boys are amazing too.

Is it any wonder so many school age boys are wanting to transition to be girls. Of course they feel like a woman inside when they are constantly told that girls a kind and precious and strong and can do no wrong, and boys are evil, disgusting and worthless.

Where is the celebration of men? Responsible, loving, kind, strong men.

Maybe I'm getting it all wrong. Maybe I'm missing something.Tell me.

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ICJump · 24/11/2018 05:27

How is the dominate story one where men are abusers. Every report has a poor men aspect.

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 04:10

OkPedro - "I don't know where you live but boys are not told they are evil or worthless where I am."
Recently in school, a visiting dramatic performance of monologues about stories of women who had been subject of domestic abuse, and monologues by men in prison who had been abusers.
The.message was well intentioned. They were trying to tackle a real issue.
But is beating boys with examples of male evil-doing really doing good? Look at the underlying premise - "women are victims and men are criminals". No positrive message for boys to aspire to. Only shame for them on the part of their being male.

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 03:44

"Femininity is precious" yeah my wording on that one is suispect lol.

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 03:38

okpedro - Totally agree all children should be taught about consent and respect.
I also don't think we should ignore that most violent and sexual crime is done by men.
What I think is lacking is positive of men to balance that.
All humans have the capacity to evil. But listening to the messaging, it would be easy to think only men do.

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 03:31

But the dominant narrative in education and the media is stories of men as abusers, rapists. Women as victims. AND and yet women told again and again they are strong strong and empowered. But I see no positive message for men. Toxic masculinity is the only example held up. What boy wouldn't feel ashamed of being male.

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OkPedro · 24/11/2018 03:29

signmeup What do you mean they came out firmly planted in their respective sexes?

SignMeUp · 24/11/2018 03:26

I don't think boys are listening to our feminist discourse. Many of us have raised boys in gender neutral households. My son didn't hear me bashing men. I tried to protect him from the most toxic culturally sanctioned masculinity (TV and media, other asshole men). Same as I tried to raise my daughter to smash the binary. They came out firmly planted in their respective sexes. It seems harder now..20 yrs later.

OkPedro · 24/11/2018 03:26

Femininity is precious wtf?
I would be very concerned about any education program that is saying
ALL men are violent, abusers etc
However I don't have a problem with teaching young people about the realities of society. 98% of sexual crime is committed by men. Should we ignore that? Should we not be educating boys and girls about consent. About not treating others badly. Respecting each other whether you're male or female?
I don't know where you live but boys are not told they are evil or worthless where I am. Unfortunately its women who are regarded this way

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AWildThoughAppeared · 24/11/2018 03:23

"100% on board with women. " I'm sorry I didn't express that very well. I feared that this would happen and posters would pick apart my language and intentions.

Do you have any thought on the main content of my post.

Also I admit I am not well educated on transgender issues.

I'm sorry if I look like I'm trying to provoke. I'm really not. I just woke at 2am with a cold and a fever up and all this is going through my head. Needed to set it down and process.

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SlightAggrandising · 24/11/2018 03:19

100% on board with women.

Could you just run that by me again. On board with women... what? All of us? On board with us doing..?

I think you'll find the significant concern among young people is school girls thinking they're boys. It's the older men who suddenly think they're women when they put a pair of heels on.

2/10 for research