Scottish consultation results

This is in the Scotland section of the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/academics-closing-down-trans-debate-says-stuart-waiton-v5c8z8x2p?shareToken=56f2f34c2c81216aafd95c2ba5b3e774

So women with real concerns are the same as racists according to the SNP.

Isn't this just another manifestation of invisibilising women? It doesn't matter that such views couldn't be more inimical to us, they refuse to see us as real people in the round with nuanced views that ought to be listened to with care and our concerns addressed..

So women with real concerns are the same as racists according to the SNP.
Nice.

How can they not see the conflict between self ID of legal sex and protecting women and girls? Are they really that stupid?

This is what I don't get - are they really genuinely unable to join the dots? I really really hope they have a good read of the summary of the consultation responses and employ some critical thinking.

We all have a bunch of unconscious biases and learned behaviours/beliefs - being A Racist or A TERF or A Misogynist requires a conscious choice

I missed this and am

Tweeted by the Scottish Government yesterday:

Any form of violence against women and girls is a fundamental violation of human rights. #HearMeToo #16days

Here's what we're doing to eradicate violence against women and girls in Scotland through our equally safe campaign.

twitter.com/scotgov/status/1066617487138086912

How can they not see the conflict between self ID of legal sex and protecting women and girls? Are they really that stupid?

The SNP National Convenor for Women and Equalities, Fiona Robertson, tweeted about Terfs starting with this:

I can't begin to describe how thrilled I am to see that Scotland's GRA consultation has returned a majority in favour of self-ID. It's not as high as I would like, but given the viciousness of the campaign against it and the lack of positive discussion, it's a really good start.

and ending with .......

We all have a bunch of unconscious biases and learned behaviours/beliefs - being A Racist or A TERF or A Misogynist requires a conscious choice

She has been reported to Twitter, so its likely that the comments about dissenters will disappear

twitter.com/FionaSnp/status/1066316146339692544

A very interesting read. Well worth reading.

I'll second that - women's concerns are very clearly laid out, as well as concerns about the bias of the consultation

Andrew Gilligan
‏*@mragilligan*
This is the official Scottish government Twitter account, now. A huge own goal - very clear grounds for a legal challenge if they go for self-ID in Scotland on the grounds that the outcome of the consultation was predetermined. Hope somebody picks up the baton!
The context being that the consultation results on self-ID in Scotland have just been announced.

Well that just states: 'dear non compliant women, we're scared of your non compliance'.

Wrong thing to be scared of loves. What you SHOULD be scared of is the public backlash and the bloody great safeguarding juggernaut heading your way that we've been trying to warn you about. (Obviously in too scary a way. Maybe we should have iced it on cupcakes.)

I have difficulties to imagine how you could show more contempt for your electorate, or parts of it, than this Twitter banner.

The SNP will do whatever it wants backed by their bed-partners in government the Greens.

If you don't support their independence agenda you are labelled a traitor, if you don't support their pro trans agenda then you are a trans phobe. They are always right you see.
Our education system from the very top to bottom is 'guided'.....
forced to apply the guidance produced by Stonewall and Mermaids.

Look at what the Scottish Government official twitter account have chosen as their twitter banner

twitter.com/scotgov

It was a hidden consultation
I live in Scotland and nobody knew abou5 it
Apart from on here and of course the usual suspects
But then that is wha5 me government does
It don’t even matter if the vote goes against the government they crack on wit wat they want

A very interesting read. Well worth reading.

Oh god I want to cry, here I am with sodding period agony pains and wishing I could just bloody identity out of them. Knowing that's bullshit.
And yet we will soon be overrun with self identifying women.
Just fucking marvellous

Exactly. How many "women" would have answered in favour of selfish-ID... Makes data collection by sex meaningless.

I would love to see a breakdown of the answers by sex

It will be meaningless tho. All the proponents of self id will...self id.

I would love to see a breakdown of the answers by sex..

Think there’s about 5 million in Scotland?

One of the most important things that this consultation proves, is that there is a big fucking conflict between trans rights and women’s rights

Much as Stonewall say we do not and will not acknowledge this”, I’m afraid that they now have to.

Red flags have been raised all over the shop about this proposed law, and they will have to be addressed, whether Stonewall and cronies like it or not.

I think scotland only has 1 million people compared to over 50 million for England

According to the ONS link above, Scotland is approx 5.5million, Wales approx. 3.11 and England 56million.

I think scotland only has 1 million people compared to over 50 million for England

The Scottish consultation was problematic for so many reasons. It was targeted as an LGBT issue, so many responses were under advice from Stonewall. It came out before the RUK so there wasn't the same exposure - the media didn't catch on until the RUK one caught fire. Women's orgs didn't feed into the framing and were told it wouldn't affect us.

Anyway, this is being recognised. And, despite it all, the respondents with concerns highlighted the issues of women's rights.

Thanks for that link Alice that's interesting reading.

How many of us knew outsiders could respond to the consultation?
I wouldn't respond to the Scottish for the obvious reason, I'm not Scottish.

Clearly many activists think differently.
Funny that.

I'm rather glad I found that out.

Response to results.

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1066305799625019392?s=20