369 transpeople murdered? Channel 4 checked.

*gay rights not hay rights, obvs!

RatRolyPoly you seem to think we're against transwomen because of a position of hate. As long as you see things through this distorted lens, you're going to be missing the point.

When you start understanding that women have very sound, practical reasons why we're concerned about the rise of trans ideology - because it affects us in real, material ways - you might start understanding what we're on about here.

Incidentally, most of us were staunch trans allies for many years.

It's ridiculous seeing younger people saying stuff like "if GC feminists had been around for section 28 they would have been against hay rights".

It's just baloney, because you know what? Many of us were around for section 28. We don't need to imagine what ifs. And guess what - we were the ones fighting FOR gay rights FFS!

That! As if other posters who are focussing on other issues, other numbers feel no compassion for transwomen, despite them having said otherwise!

That's totally not what I meant by that phrase

The pp was knocking Trans Day of Remembrance because children have died in the Yemen, and because women are murdered relentlessly in the UK.

What I was saying was that just because I have compassion for the children of the Yemen, doesn't mean I can't have compassion for trans murder victims too. My compassion doesn't run out if I expend it on only one group; I can remember dead children in the Yemen and still mark the trans dead.

So... we both think it's possible to feel compassion for more than one group at a time. I never said otherwise. A pp did. Which I refuted. And you agree with me

I don't know, I'm not a member of the LGBT community and whilst I follow and "like" Stonewall posts on Facebook I'm not an expert on their activism.

Well, let me enlighten you - Stonewall have done close to fuck all for lesbians recently.

And no, women's charities don't receive funding in the same way. Increasingly, women's charities are being asked to demonstrate they're "inclusive" before they receive funding - meaning they include transwomen.

Including transwomen often means excluding many women eg if your service caters for religious women or women traumatised by male violence.

So transwomen are getting increased resources through LGBT orgs and also through women's groups.

Meanwhile women are losing resources as those meant to represent us (eg Stonewall) seem to have forgotten about us - except in relations to transwomen, and our single sex services are being given over to transwomen too meaning we can't access them.

It's why women are so fucked off. No, we are not receiving funding in the same way, and it's precisely because of propaganda such as TDOR presenting a false narrative about who needs the most support.

Stonewall is meant to be for women too. (Lesbians, remember them?).

Well yes, but it's not a women's charity is it, like Women's Aid or Refuge. It's an LGBT charity.

Please show me what Stonewall has done to support lesbians recently? (The same-sex attracted kind).

I don't know, I'm not a member of the LGBT community and whilst I follow and "like" Stonewall posts on Facebook I'm not an expert on their activism.

but there is not only a limited amount of compassion to go around. That! As if other posters who are focussing on other issues, other numbers feel no compassion for transwomen, despite them having said otherwise!

It is so passive aggressive. It lessens the impact of anything you intend to say!

I followed the link everybodypuuuuulllll, although it is something I've seen many times. I'm not on Twitter but I'm a member of several feminist groups, so the death toll of women in this country, whilst shocking, is not news to me.

presumably women's charities receive funding in the same way

Stonewall is meant to be for women too. (Lesbians, remember them?).

Please show me what Stonewall has done to support lesbians recently? (The same-sex attracted kind).

RatRolyPoly did you have the decency to have a look at twitter.com/CountDeadWomen ?

Anything Stonewall did on this would have been funded by the public at least in part.

Well yeah, but the public that fund Stonewall are mostly the one who directly support them as a charity aren't they? I had a call from them only last night asking for monetary support. I don't know much about government funding of charities, but I wouldn't begrudge Stonewall receiving money from them, as presumably women's charities receive funding in the same way.

Also, plenty of councils, universities and government departments took park.

They took part, but it didn't cost them anything as far as I'm aware. At least I haven't seen any government space or organisations spending so much as a penny on it.

I'm interested in this actually, what public funds were expended on this?

This would be an interesting FOI I imagine.

That's too transparent! Very few posters here will be made to feel guilty by that kind of emotional blackmail!

Oh god, here we go again. I have no idea what you're talking about.

It was horrific but there is no evidence that it was motivated by transphobia or indeed that their trans status had any bearing on their being murdered.

I see it completely differently; the murderer specifically found a trans woman on the website FabSwingers (which I've used in the past, incidentally - just to say it's not some underworld fetish site, it's just good for FWB) with the specific intent of some kinky trans related sexy stuff (he was heterosexual with a girlfriend by all accounts), and then assumed no-one would even miss her once he'd killed her because she was a trans woman on a swinging site.

It literally would not have happened to a non-trans person!

*part!

I'm interested in this actually, what public funds were expended on this?

Anything Stonewall did on this would have been funded by the public at least in part. Also, plenty of councils, universities and government departments took park.

I'm so confused. I'm well familiar with the risks to us women, but there is not only a limited amount of compassion to go around.

There are limited public funds and resources, and public bodies are choosing to spend resources on remembering 1 trans person and not on remembering hundreds of women.

It's also about creating a false narrative where people think trans people are uniquely at risk, the most oppressed of all - and that's been pretty effective so far.

Public funds should not be used in this way. That's using public money for political propaganda.

That was for Rat obviously!

It's about public funds, resources and time being put into a big trans day of remembrance

I'm interested in this actually, what public funds were expended on this? I'm afraid I just liked a few posts on Facebook, I didn't see any big government investment anywhere.

Saying that, I think I would have supported a proportionate investment from them by way of support - proportionate with their support of other causes, that is.

Oh, stop it! That's too transparent! Very few posters here will be made to feel guilty by that kind of emotional blackmail!

There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific sad

It was horrific but there is no evidence that it was motivated by transphobia or indeed that their trans status had any bearing on their being murdered. Trans murder rates are being presented as evidence of a concerted and systematic "genocide" of trans people because they are trans, when in fact the evidence points to the opposite.

Yes, Naomi Hersi's death was horrific, but so were the deaths of so many women killed last year.

I'm sorry, in order to call something "horrific" am I first supposed to list all the other things that might also be horrific?

I'm so confused. I'm well familiar with the risks to us women, but there is not only a limited amount of compassion to go around.

It takes nothing away from women, or from children in the Yemen, for those who wish to to mark the losses in their community.

It's not about marking the losses "in out community". It's about public funds, resources and time being put into a big trans day of remembrance, and these women being pretty much ignored by the same public bodies and politicians.

The trans day of remembrance is a piece of propaganda. The point of it, is to garner sympathy for trans ideology by making people think that trans people are disproportionately at risk or murder when the opposite is demonstrably true.

There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific As were the cases of the many women murdered by their partners.

An average of 137 women across the world are killed by a partner or family member every day, according to new data released by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-46292919

So, using the bet figures we have available to us, globally there are as many women murdered by their partners every 3 days as there are trans women in any year, for any reason!

And you want us to stop saying that?

There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific

RatRolyPoly please go and look at the twitter feed for Counting Dead Women, which currently has pictures of the women killed by men in the UK in the last year.

twitter.com/CountDeadWomen

Please take a couple of minutes to actually do this.

Yes, Naomi Hersi's death was horrific, but so were the deaths of so many women killed last year.

They are less safe on the streets and in their homes than transwomen.

Where are the resources being put into remembering them?

Can you see how it looks? As if public bodies care more about the death of a single transwoman than all of them put together?

Please ask yourself why that is?

For someone as active you you are on the FWR boards

I haven't been here for months and months! I only swung by because someone posted on AIBU about their Active thread being full of "trans", and I wanted to see what was making it such a hot topic over here as I have these boards blocked from my Active list.