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Liberal feminist?

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Crookedcolours · 22/11/2018 23:30

Hi everyone

Long time lurker on mn but very vocal with friends and family re feminism and do what I can with regards to petitions, emails, complaints, surveys that kind of thing.

So go back quite a few years in sociology we were told radical feminists believed the only way to achieve true equality was to reform the entire structure of power, government, laws etc. And that was the difference between radical and liberal.

Because of this reason I've always 'identified' as a liberal feminist believing it can be done within the current framework.

But I've noticed over the years scarcely anyone describing themselves as a liberal feminist. And within feminist forums liberal feminists seem to be looked down upon or a dirty word, whereas on social media as we know radical feminists is a term that's practically been vilified.

This second point annoys me because as I like to point out, the definition is relatively simple and there's nothing crazy about it like you'd assume from the hatred.

I want to know your thoughts on this.

Do you 'identify' as radical or liberal?
What are your views on liberal feminists and is my definition correct?

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BlackForestCake · 22/11/2018 23:52

There are probably way more liberal feminists than radical feminists. They are just less likely to label themselves. And less likely to spend their spare time posting on forums about feminism.

catkind · 22/11/2018 23:52

I get the impression with the transgender discussions, "liberal" feminism has come to mean not liberal politics but being "liberal" about who you consider to be women i.e. TWAW. I'd barely describe myself as feminist let alone radical, I'm very pro equality and anti sexism but not up on all the theory and reluctant to join any club that doesn't allow male members too. But TWAW is over the line of liberality and into the territory of illogicality for me. So while I'd describe myself as a liberal and (just about) a feminist, I don't think the current connotations of "liberal feminist" would fit.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/11/2018 23:50

I don't find either word or concept particularly useful. Some things can be done within the current framework, some can't.

The terms seem to have changed meaning to make them even less useful.

Efferlunt · 22/11/2018 23:41

I suppose I identify as liberal. I’d love to dismantle the patriarchy and gendered expectations but don’t think that’s anymore realistic than dismantling capitalism. These systems are pretty entrenched the world over. I think we should focus on working within the existing systems to ameliorate their worst excesses.

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