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10,000 Dresses

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NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 20:49

This book is about a little boy called Bailey. He dreams of dresses, so is referred to as 'she' throughout the book. His parents are obviously complete gits because they think he's a boy. All the characters in the book are stereotypically male or female. Basically it's a bag of shit, and us being read in my son's primary school.
He had it read to him in Y2 and Y4. I know it has also been read in a Y2 assembly.

The SRE teacher is very bright and sensible, and I think generally understands the GC argument. Deputy head bit more 'woke' & doesn't really understand.
I've been in to the school to ask them to stop teaching it, and have tried to raise awareness on the school Facebook page.
Just thought I'd share because I had no idea that this was being taught to children in our primary school.

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deepwatersolo · 23/11/2018 10:08

The thing about it is that liking sparkly dresses makes Bailey a 'she'? Why can't 'he' like sparkly dresses? Or is that just too outrageous to even contemplate?

This is what I find most problematic. The kid never even says 'I'm a girl' - and yet, it is 'she' throughout the book, apparently.

As for 'looking for support elsewhere' I am torn. I understand that in safeguarding social workers will always try to work with parents and trying to cut parents and family out is a warning sign for grooming.
But, what if for a kids the parents are really these unapproachable figures (I guess in former decades that happened more frequently than today, but still...), shouldn't the kid connect to others? I once read that having a net of people who care (including outside immediate family, like neighbours or so) makes kids more resilient. So shouldn't that be encoraged?
Of course, the book can also be read as mission creep and the child abusing paedophiles who defend their actions because they were kid's only friend and nobody else cared are legion, too. So, yeah, I don't know about that one.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 23/11/2018 08:54

What do the items for the protected characteristics of sex and sexual orientation look like?

Girls can do anything! As long as they wear sparkly dresses while they do it >> and to be honest massive sparkly dresses are incompatible with a range of jobs so if a girl wants to wear trousers or be an astronaut then she must be a boy.
Boys can fancy other boys! But must NOT like anything that is coded girl or that makes them not gay boys but actually girls.

Heterosexuality is at the absolute core of gender role, it is what most of it is about. It's not surprising so many gay kids are GNC. Are they advised that they are not gay but the opposite sex? Or are the materials entirely contradictory.

Can a girl wear trousers or not?
Can a boy like "girls stuff" or not?

Scaring GNC kids by advising them that parents are likely to entirely reject them if they do not adhere to retrograde stereotypical behaviours is a fucking APPALLING message to give kids, what the FUCK are they thinking?

Avegemitesandwich · 23/11/2018 07:56

The thing about it is that liking sparkly dresses makes Bailey a 'she'? Why can't 'he' like sparkly dresses? Or is that just too outrageous to even contemplate?

Yes, intentionally so, parents are bad, new mummies and daddies on tumblr are much better. The parents and brother are drawn faceless, huge and looming.

Yes, this is such a common theme isn't it and really quite worrying.

Xiaoxiong · 23/11/2018 07:36

I would hit the roof if this was used as teaching material for one of my kids. I spend so much time fighting against gender stereotypes with my sons, that they can wear what they want and do what they want as boys and men. This message and calling Bailey "she" and the messages from the parents in the book would completely undermine that.

I saw a picture book aimed at little kids called "I am Jazz" for sale at We The Curious in Bristol this summer - it's a science museum, ffs. I didn't have the time to complain about it but it was really shocking to see it there.

Mxyzptlk · 23/11/2018 07:06

What age-group is getting this story in schools?
I'm sure I would have been massively confused if I'd been given this sort of lesson, at any stage of primary school.

Mxyzptlk · 23/11/2018 07:02

That lesson plan says "At no point in the story does Bailey identify as a boy or a girl".
Yet the story identifies Bailey as "she" and the plan is all about being trans.

It would be a far better story if it called out the rigid attitudes of Bailey's horrible relatives and let him be a happy boy who likes dresses.

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/11/2018 06:45

This is what worries me. All it takes is a teacher who is completely gung-ho about the whole thing to slip in a few extra-curricular story times and worksheets.

Andrew Moffat has created an entire scheme of work for teaching the EA act through stories. Which is great, some lovely stories and lesson ideas (though if I'm honest I think they're a bit slap dash) but they soups this one in.

Plus one in ks1 I'm a bit Confused over.

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/11/2018 06:43

I don't think DJ really considered the wider implications of that story, not how it's being used. He was booked for an lgbt event to read a story. he said he dealt with similar issues growing up however he clearly didn't transition.

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/11/2018 06:39

Just to reiterate; this book is in a programme that schools follow to teach the EA through stories.

The rest of it is good from what I've seen but ik not keen on the trans materials nor what Andrew Moffat teaches in lesson plans that teachers will follow.

Certainly has delivered training throughout my local education authority, my son's school's head told me.

If I had more time and energy at the moment I'd directly approach the author and challenge him over the lesson plans and inclusion of this book.

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks2-3-10000.html

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/11/2018 06:33

I sent my concerns about the books in the no outsiders teaching resources book to transgender trend but I never heard back from them.

scepticalwoman · 22/11/2018 23:28

Op. Have you thought of approaching this from a quasi legal route?
Ask for clarification about how many occasions the book has been used in the classroom and how much time spent on follow up (for your records).
Then ask for details of who the school uses for its public liability insurance? Let the Head know that you will be considering making a claim against the school if there is evidence that the school are stepping outside their learning role and promoting regressive stereotypes with your child in a way that confuses, unsettles and misleads them and may in the long harm cause them emotional harm. Just a thought.

Wrathofjurgenklop · 22/11/2018 23:22

By the time I got to that bit of the story, I was suspicious of the kindly, older stranger.

NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 23:19

Laurel is the girl-thing-doing older girl at the end. Her and Bailey sew dresses together.

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Wrathofjurgenklop · 22/11/2018 23:10

What a horrible way to depict boys and fathers.
What a horrible way to depict mothers.

Who was the big footed Laurel friend?

A dangerous and very inappropriate book.

Wrathofjurgenklop · 22/11/2018 23:04

Don't particularly want to buy a copy, but if I did, I am rather tempted to write:
'This book can be found at a school near you'.
Highlight the incorrect pronouns with a sharpie, and leave it in a public place where parents might find it interesting.

NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 22:55

Yes yes yes! Absolutely delighted you're appalled! It's a bloody disgrace!

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Wrathofjurgenklop · 22/11/2018 22:51

Thanks OP for highlighting this.
Thanks to Neuro for allowing us to have that book read to us by Derek jacobi.SmileConfused

This is doing us all a favour.

We now have to trawl through the school reading lists to bring books like these into plain sight.
Without social media and MN we might not have found out.

Mxyzptlk · 22/11/2018 22:47

The book is disgusting and it's depressing that parents seem not to be interested.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 22/11/2018 22:27

I cannot believe they are teaching little kids in the UK in state schools that

All girls love sparkly dresses
Boys cannot wear dresses

Fucking disgusting retrograde sexist homophobic bullshit of the first order.

I'm genuinely angry.

ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 22/11/2018 22:24

Depressing, isn't it. Sad

OP, sounds like you're dealing really well with it so far!

NothingOnTellyAgain · 22/11/2018 22:21

What the actual fuck is this total shit?

Girls like pink and sparkles and dresses?
Boys can't wear dresses?

Regressive codswallop FFS

NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 22:18

This is what worries me. All it takes is a teacher who is completely gung-ho about the whole thing to slip in a few extra-curricular story times and worksheets.

Yes, I have asked that my son is removed from the classroom whenever '10,000 dresses' or any other transgender rights propaganda is being read. That should cover it, and may be inconvenient for them.

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NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 22:16

In my experience no one is remotely interested in posts which sound complicated or political unless they kick off. Admin had to turn comments off on the '10,000 dresses' thread on school fb page because it got tendentious (her brilliant word!) and one person disagreed with banning the book and thought I was transphobic. Best thing which could have happened because people were interested in the drama. Not many admittedly but more than before.
Friend and I are going to stage a Facebook argument.

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ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 22/11/2018 22:12

but I suppose there could be other things I don’t know about.

This is what worries me. All it takes is a teacher who is completely gung-ho about the whole thing to slip in a few extra-curricular story times and worksheets.

NotZenEnough · 22/11/2018 22:12

I've already taken in copy of the TT pack and given them an exhaustive reading/listening list/ photocopies of articles etc.
I will get no pleasure in re-sending everything in a couple of years time saying 'told you so' but I will bloody do it.
Stephanie is aware of the book.

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