Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk

I hope India hasn't had to get up early to be brave & stunning on TV this morning

I think India is trying (badly) to make the point that this person is not qualified to comment.

But then India also believes that Stella O'Malley is not qualified either because she didn't transition.

Point India

I may be wrong, but I don't believe there is a Royal College of Medicine. Royal Society of Medicine, any number of Royal Colleges of specialist medical disciplines, but no Royal College of Medicine. Perhaps it was an attempt at sarcasm. I sincerely hope no Royal College has been desperate enough to ask IW to advise them on anything.

What is this tweet about? Is India claiming be be part of the RCoM?

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1065439280443592710

If Stonewall aren’t going to participate in documentaries they can’t control, I think reporters need to doorstop their leaders the way they do with corrupt businesses people and cowboy builders.

That shuffling past reporters with a ‘No comment’ speaks volumes.

‘No debate’ has to be turned against them in the eyes of the public.

Well! Some of the tweets about it are priceless. This one sums it up for me

these women undermining trans rights are actually disgusting me. "i dont believe you can change gender." well i dont believe i asked for your FUCKING OPINION. trans women ARE women !!!!

ACTUALLY disgusting me, gets added to LITERALLY killing me and LA LA LA LA fingers in ears

And, of course, after a programme with so many transmen it is all about the transwomen!! A telling theme through most of those twitter #transkids posts

India's 2am tweet telling the media to sober up is hilarious.

Willoughby here seems to be calling a woman gross for giving birth and having periods.

Isn't female biology what you think you should have, Willoughby?

Jonny Best comment:
twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1065387327793635329

embedded link in tweet:
'Please join us in asking Stonewall to reconsider its transgender policies and approach'
(extract)
"Stonewall’s promotion of the concept of 'gender identity’, which has it that a man or woman is anyone (of either sex) who identifies as such, is also undermining the basis of lesbian, gay and bisexual identities as orientated around same-sex attraction. Lesbians in particular are coming under pressure to accept male-bodied trans women into their spaces and as sexual partners.

At the moment, Stonewall is failing in three key ways:

By uncritically adopting a form of transgender politics which undermines the sex-based rights of women and the concept of homosexuality itself
By refusing to recognise the diversity of viewpoints on these issues, including among LGBT people.
By seeking to prevent public debate of these issues by branding as transphobic anyone who questions Stonewall’s current trans policies.
We call on Stonewall to:

Acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics
Acknowledge specifically the conflict that exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights
Commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate, rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss or dissent from Stonewall’s current policies" (continues)
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Christine Hart's comment is bizarre.

The protest by Bristol TRAs was comprable to WPUK's Oxford event.
The groups in Bristol were open about their intentions to prevent discussion.

There were two camera crews there, one with Munroe Bergdorf (for the documentary 'What Makes A Woman?) and another from Channel 4 (now known to be with Stella O Mally)

There is a recording of the live feed from Jam Jar 'We Need To Talk About Sex' event:

India isn't even logically consistent here

No and this is often the case with IW and other influential TRAs.

If people would just pause and feel able to question the illogical pronouncements that are made so frequently.

Lurking - it's total hogwash. And that's one of the reasons you can't debate with people like this - how can you argue with people who resort to lies and hyperbole when challenged (and yes Dawn Butler, I'm looking at you)?

Like Stella, had my partner been born today, she'd have gone down the transition route too. She is very glad she didn't.

I would say that suggesting being Asian or Black critical is logically inconsistent because Asian and Black people are live human beings, unlike gender which is a socially constructed stereotype which varies according to time and place. India's analogy would only work if they were referring to stereotypes of Asian or Black culture or behaviours.

Also, the constant use of the word Nazi in this context is dismissive of the victims of actual Nazis. India, in case you're reading (I've heard you like to lurk in these parts), someone disagreeing with you is not equivalent to mass murder on an industrial scale.

India isn't even logically consistent here. GenderCritical is not the same as BlackCritical or AsianCritical on many levels, most obviously because only a proportion of people are black or asian, but everybody has a gender (even though some of uns do not like and are critical of what society projects onto us via gender, just because of our biology).

You saw the Tran's rights activists...
Shouting
Screaming
Etc

But did you know it could all have been a set up? Were the hissing brats really te*fs in disguise?

Stella has protected her tweets because she knows she is wrong. Says the people who refused to participate and ran around calling people Nazis.

Guess who thinks we are "Nazis"

It's India "let that penetrate" Willoughby

Cole, who was featured, has made a youtube clip (Channel4 Documentary - my Response). Very grounded, very positive, very happy that the documentary can start a debate.

Quite a marked contrast to the Twitter meltdown going down in Woketopia.

Yes, that Jam Jar footage was really illuminating.

And the sex divide was so clear too. Mostly women inside, mostly men outside, with men trying to physically stop women from entering, repeatedly calling the women cunts and saying 'you have no rights' when a woman mentions women's rights.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Thanks for the Twitter links. They are frothing aren't they.

Can anyone tell me is the Twitter poster who says literally hundreds of trans people have been decapitated etc speaking sense? I'm sure I read on here that those were skewed and overly dramatised statistics.

That footage from Bristol The TRA's are so full of rage and hate, ironic when they're so sure we are the hateful ones. I think they will struggle to convince anyone not already immersed in their ideology that Stella is transphobic, the tone was too thoughtful (and hopefully thought provoking) for people to be taken in.

Good programme, thank you Stella!

I was on the telly 😳 outside the Bristol meeting (briefly) and a couple of long enough to be clearly recognisable shots of me in the audience - I hope there’s no backlash from that, a couple of friends have recently voiced their other sided views of ‘hating the hate’ without critical thought. People who cannot be argued with so I stayed quiet, much to my shame.

That was the first time I’d see footage of the vitriol when they first stormed the building, crikey.

And I looked like shit so there’s that to worry about too 😂

When I went to register at ch4 they asked my gender!

Still waiting to watch here in the US..taking forever to load

I've been waiting for transmen in popular media. The thousands of girls and young women going down that road will bring the whole house of cards down

The TRAs were brilliant, they must have Peak Transed thousands of people by their chanting and appalling behaviour.