Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk

I haven't seen the documentary but

A) These commentators are people who transitioned as adults so they cannot directly compare their experiences to those transitioning as children.

B) Everyone has life experiences and points of view that we can share, noone should be dominating or shouting down those with other viewpoints.

C) Many Trans organizations refused to take part in the documentary.

D) When in comes to children parents are directly responsible for choices that are made regarding their children's health. They must be fully informed of all the risks and future effects of those choices for their child's future. More research is needed and as much light as possible shone on trans health outcomes, not less.

E) I am personally amazed at the frothing at the mouth, abuse and excessive swearing by many of these trans activists in their twitter comments. They undermine their credibility when they can't be part of a conversation without getting aggressive and abusive.

Good point aspie.

So with rudimentary science, one can surmise the amygdala remains in control for longer while blocked, the frontal cortex remains undeveloped. Fuck knows what happens when cross sex hormones happen then.

The amygdala can be enlarged through stress, anxiety, ptsd. It can shrink through time and cbt, drugs and is why mindfulness is thought to work for depression etc but I wonder what happens if the frontal cortex doesn't get a chance to develop properly?

"When it comes to trans lives, you can listen to trans EXPERIENCES

That's the thing though. Stella has experience.

I've more time to type till non sleeping baby wakes on the hour and I wanted to say how brave all the people involved were. This must have been hard for you Stella; you hinted at a really awful time if it during puberty. Extremely brave of The Hayton family to allow the tv crew in. My heart goes out to them all. I have a lot of respect for Debbie and now too her family. fantastic to see Miranda talk and everyone else.

I'm utterly appalled at the protesters. They really do believe this is extreme hate speech. Fuck off IW et all comparing this with racism etc; absolutely fuck all similarity. I'm impressed C4 did this; again too little too late. Needed this during all the queer stuff in the summer.

Are we absolutely sure pink news isn’t a spoof?

Since puberty begins with the release of GnRH from the hypothalamus - ie in the brain - and this is precisely the process that puberty blockers ‘block’ I can’t see how they can’t effect the brain.

If they didn’t effect the brain they wouldn’t work.

Thanks R0.

Brief simplistic google seems to show that testosterone is present and rising in both sexes during puberty and responsible for helping to re model the frontal cortex, taking over control from the amygdala which is the instinctive and impulsive part of the brain. There definitely needs to be more research on this.

www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/hormone-affects-how-teens-brains-control-emotions

“HERE WE ARE 33 YEARS LATER, MOTHERF*CKERS.”
Charming.

"When it comes to trans lives, you can listen to trans EXPERIENCES or cisgender OPINIONS"
And when it comes to women's lives, you can listen to women's experiences or TRA demands.

So where do we go from here?

I had always thought that in puberty yr body & brain, is flooded with hormones-causing all the developmental changes we know about. Ergo if that doesn't happen-a person will not mature both physically and potentially mentally....I am no expert though. But clearly this needs to be looked into in more detail by someone who could actually understand what happens to the brain in puberty.

Since puberty begins with the release of GnRH from the

Pink News:
'Channel 4’s Trans Kids is slammed for ‘completely failing’ trans community'
(extract)
Trans campaigners have heavily criticised Channel 4’s documentary Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk, accusing producers of “completely failing” trans people by implying that being trans is “just a phase.” (continues)
“Journalists and broadcasters have completely failed trans people and their families in this country,” wrote journalist Paris Lees.

“Failing to inform the public about the facts is one thing. But this relentless, mean, obsessive campaign of misinformation is unforgivable.”

Author and columnist Juno Dawson, meanwhile, hit out at the show for suggesting to children that being trans is a phase.

“If you’re watching the #TransKids thing on Channel 4, all I’ll add is I knew I was a girl when I was four or five and was told it was a phase,” she wrote.

“HERE WE ARE 33 YEARS LATER, MOTHERF*CKERS.”

She added that her life was made more difficult because she wasn’t given hormone blockers as a child.

“Oh god how different my life would have been if I’d been listened to; believed; treated and received blockers,” she continued.

“But no, I was told it was a phase.”

Juno Dawson criticised Channel 4’s Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk on Twitter.
She added: “I’ve said this before and I suspect I’ll say it again…When it comes to trans lives, you can listen to trans EXPERIENCES or cisgender OPINIONS. Your choice.”

Channel 4’s Trans Kids is “dreadful”
Newsreader and former Celebrity Big Brother contestant India Willoughby also took to social media, branding the programme as “dreadful.”

“Going through a ‘phase’ is not being trans Stella,” she said.

“That’s why nothing permanent happens to those taking the medical route for a long time.

“Even if Self ID comes in, the medical route will still be slow. Dreadful Ch4.

“Dreadful. Totally weighted. Televised Mumsnet.”

Trans ally and writer Matthew Todd posted a message of support to trans children, while criticising the programme.

“Hope actual trans young people know we support you,” he wrote.

“This nastiness will eventually die away. We will get there in the end.

“You have the right to be who you are – not what other people say you should be. They used to tell us being gay was a phase, how could we know etc!”

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/22/channel-4-trans-kids-criticised-trans-campaigners/

India Willoughby claims IW /Pink News view is unanimous

I am shaking my head at the trans activists shouting the programme down. They really should have participated.

I hadn't seen any footage from the Bristol meeting before this. Seeing that mindless aggression left me speechless, but thank you Stella and everyone who was involved in the making of the programme, and especially those who agreed to appear in it!

Potentially what could happen (I'm not an expert but it's been talked about in child protection training I've had) is that (crudely) in puberty the brain goes through a mass reorganisation similar to what's happened age 0-3 (cause of the toddler tantrum years), which might not happen?

In cp / child development training this was highlighted as a potential time for some reversal of the damage done due to early abuse/ major attachment issues. But I have no idea if this is in anyway hormonally driven, nor if affected by the sex specific hormones.

Great minds aspie...

Meant was going to say tge brain doesn’t mature till 25.

Was just going to say that!

Brilliant programme.

Worth remembering that the human brain doesn't fully mature till age 25.

Oh happydappy I'd never thought of that

Thanks Stellaomalley - a brilliant documentary. You looked concerned at the event where the TRAs were being so shouty and violent. I would have been.

So much woman-hatred.And from mostly young women as well. Makes me so sad.

Wow, for such an incredible force of nature she's tiny!

When the programme got to that part it was so scary. All those angry, foul mouthed people in masks, very intimidating. It's not right.

I was glad to see those two young people interviewed and talking about how they felt having reached so far in the trans programme but not going further, having no real information about the process and ending up, basically, as neither one nor the other.

The wife of the trans woman being so good and loyal but obviously strained, living one hour at a time.

Puberty blockers, a micro penis, double mastectomy - it's just so wrong to allow kids to go through that.

Yes billy it was definitely Magdalene!

Did I spot Magdalen Berns at the Bristol fiasco? Filming the activists?

Crooked - there is substantial evidence that puberty has a profound effect in brain development.

What we don't know is if someone takes puberty blockers and then moves onto hormones, what then happens to the brain.

Maybe children who are put on blockers and go straight onto hormones have immature brain development.

No one is allowed to study that though.