ESRC sending millions of pounds to Sally Hines / Leeds Uni to research gender bollocks

How about challenging a mantra that has not one shred of fact to uphold it and, when questioned, responds with accusations of bigotry and complete negation of and refusal to debate?

You seem a bit personally invested in defending Goldsmiths Spanna. Do you work there? Student there?

I'm 'fixating' on it because it's a lazy sweeping statement which doesn't really say much, and it needs to be challenged.

Goldsmiths gets mentioned because it's Wokeistan Central, spanna. It's emblematic of the degradation of the liberal academy. We're just, you know, taking the piss. Unsure why you're fixating on a few off-the-cuff mentions of it when this thread is actually about Hines's work at Leeds.

Leeds (city rather than uni) seems to be a specific locus of institutional misogyny - so I suppose Hines's wokery fits in nicely.

If you mean people are getting themselves educated and then gaining a level of consciousness about social injustice, and how they can make the world a better and more inclusive space, then I don't see what the problem is. What exactly is the problem with being 'woke'?

I can see the issue with people who think they're 'woke' but aren't really. But a genuine awakening of consciousness- what's to argue with?

For a functioning democracy we need voters who are politically aware and knowledgeable about what they're voting for.

Goldsmiths is like The Breach - increasingly large kaijū emerge at regular intervals, with ever increasing levels of Woke.

Oops, nerves being hit on this thread

There are fashions involved in getting funding for research just as there are in getting grant money for charitable causes. It is no surprise to me that the causes that are popular in one area are mirrored in the other.

PhD in Uninpeachable Truths at the University of Nodebate sounds like something worth putting the hours in for.

Trollope would have had a field day with these everlasting synecures.

nobody does a PhD for the money. There are much more efficient, less painful ways to get a good salary.

Potentially then Sally Hines value to her university lies in her success at bringing in the big funding bids. Lots of people were wondering yesterday hearing her debate with Prof Stock how she could have her position when she seemingly can't defend her own position.

But I suppose that doesn't recognise that since the funding model changed, universities now are about bringing in the grant funding and the foreign students - so being able to see which way the wind is blowing, lobbying and writing bids are maybe more valued in academia these days.

It's something to think about in terms of our children going to uni. Not just the fees and the debt but what are they actually getting taught and by whom? It's sad that even academia these days is more about the short term objectives of those involved (comfortably salary, status) than a 'higher purpose'. Maybe it always was? I think though the low salary was usually enough to put off the more self interested?

Exactly

They have competed for the money by filling in a detailed proposal, it's really hard to get funding (in the sciences at least) so the project will have been evaluated carefully. Money isn't awarded on a whim

Lots will go on University overheads

Yes, heaps will get creamed off.

I'd noticed.

Oh, do you know Goldsmiths well, spanna? We have at least one alumnus on FWR. They wax somewhat less lyrical than you.

That seems to be a student in charge of a student Twitter account that was then suspended by the SU which in any case is separate from the university.

Goldsmiths as in the university itself has done some amazing work eg Centre for Forensic Architecture (on Grenfell Tower) and loads on refugees. There are gender critical feminists there too who have good and (yes sometimes heated) debates with non-gender critical feminists (in the Centre for Feminist Research).

Because their students suggested sending us to the gulags

Original tweet is gone but it is captured here

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Why do people keep going on about Goldsmiths?

A pregnant transmen project when there only are 40 -- they are going to have some sample-size problems with that lot, surely. Seems incredibly small-scale.........

I just chuckled at the "Dissemination events" quote............

Still, it must make them really cross when despite all this injection of cash, they can’t persuade people or force people to agree with their flawed ideology.
If anything the more it’s discussed in MSM the more resistance is generated, the comments in the Telegraph today were telling.
No wonder universities are into no-platforming, they know which side their bread is buttered on.

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Research proposal:

To look at the effectiveness and reach of Stonewall.

This might include looking reviewing CVs on Diversity, Communications and HR people across the City, Charity and Public Sectors, using Linked In to see how many have Stonewall at the backgrounds.

To review diversity training programmes in public and commercial sectors and links providers have with Stonewall

MP/Minister contacts

Media exposure

Equalities policies - how many drafted with Stonewall advice and reflecting Stonewall trans aims.

Further research:

Governance of Stonewall , and the extent to which priorities and aims reflect those of its members/stated LGBT+ population

Research lead: R0wantrees

Research support: MN hive mind

Supporting Institution: Gulag University in partnership with Goldsmiths

Are there not ethics boards any more?