The message is getting through

Me too bobby seriously thank fuck!!!

Really good to hear, a bit of light is so appreciated. Hope he gives the head teacher an effective piece of his mind. I know teenage boys who avoid the boys loos cos they're gross, let alone girls avoiding loos boys use.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/21/first-ever-payout-primary-school-sex-assault-girl-6-repeatedly/

Dreadful for the poor girl here. When councils are sued they will take seriously the duty of care to protect girls at school. I will happily help contibute to crowdfunding to persuse issues as and when the arise (and they will).

Schools round me are mostly single sex. This has made me wonder whether they'll have boys going to the girls school soon, and vice versa.

My DS's school has unisex toilets off main corridors, many of the boys hate them too. dS sometimes has attacks of IBS and is very self conscious about passers by or girls hearing his bodily functions!

Oops
*our gym mistress
*male-bodied

Erm, yes, I well recall out gym mistress's keen supervision of our open showers.
It was very hard to opt out (I was pitifully shy). I can't imagine how that would be for a male-boded person identifying as a girl - either for them or for the other girls. People who are promoting this seem to have zero concept of what it's like being adolescent.

My kids go to Catholic schools thank fuck!

Have anyone else's kids schools done away with showers after PE completely?

My school never used the showers after PE.

But who else to vote for?

Don't wait till it's time to vote. Make your views clear to your MPs and MSPs and councillors now.

www.theyworkforyou.com makes it easy to do this, and will tell you who your representatives are, if you don't know.

Have anyone else's kids schools done away with showers after PE completely? According to my DD they are strictly for GCSE students

Disrespectful I do take your point, but I'm not convinced Salander is supposed to be autistic? I read her as horribly abused with PTSD and is a sociopath (or rather, antisocial personality disorder) seeking revenge, which comes out quite clearly in book 2. I really don't want to derail this thread but the title change is very thought-provoking...I can't imagine it would have sold well in any language.

Why would you do that to teenagers? Why.

Grim

Accompli!

It reminds me of the communal shower situation at my high school back in the 90s where loads of girls would bunk off or feign illness to avoid PE lessons just because of the changing rooms and showers. At that point they weren't even forcing anyone male into the environment.

memories.

I am so glad that your everyday person is starting to realise what is going on. My local schools (except the Catholic schools, tellingly) all changed their toilets over the summer to mixed-sex, without consulting with, or warning, any of the parents or pupils. Just a fait accomplish.

I've spent time in Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark over the past few years.

Not once (and I have to wee a lot) have I encountered mixed sex toilets.

Are you saying that sort of thing is creating a risk?

Starter for ten!

1. Why do any single sex spaces exist? Is it,

A. Because we love to build in duplicate for funsies ?
or

B. For the safety, privacy and dignity of each sex?

1. Why does every aid and development agency on the planet push for single sex sanitary provision? Is it:

A. Because they also love wasting money building in duplicate for funsies or
B. Because it reduces the incidence of rape and sexual assault of women and girls.

Answers on a postcard.

The configuration of center parts changing facilities may be well designed and fine ... it doesn't have much bearing on the thread subject of school loos, where girls need - and legally should have - access to single sex facilities.

At Center Parks there are (or were) family changing rooms for families using the pool area. There were still single sex changing rooms for those without children and the spa facilities.

Therefore the demographic of the people using the family changing rooms at centre parks is different to the demographic of those using mixed sex changing room at for example your local swimming pool.

I felt safe using the family facilities at centre parks with my husband in a very busy environment with a lot of staff and pretty much everyone being part of a family group.

I don't feel safe in the mixed sex changing room at my local pool where there are often no staff members on duty in the changing rooms and there are both men on their own and groups of teenage boys.

It is not the same type of environment.

tracy there may well be mixed sex changing rooms, but I very much doubt there are any mixed gender. I can see that there may be a need for family changing rooms but adult mixed sex toilets are a recipe for disaster in my book.

silent it actually makes me pretty cross the title was changed for the English language editions. It gets the point across very viscerally. I wonder what Stieg would have made of it.

I hated The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo book because the author had absolutely no understanding of autism and cobbled together a bunch of stereotypes to represent the protagonist.

Grauniad nothing would surprise me less. And actually they'd probably be within their rights to do so if there was a safeguarding issue or an afternoon truancy issue which would justify that, but they most likely wouldn't follow through to consider the effect on girls.

RiverTam my goodness, that puts quite a different spin on those books. I've read the first two and been uncomfortable at the level of detail (modern crime is not really my genre for that reason), wondering if the author was...I don't know, getting off on it somehow, despite his anti-fascist credentials. But in "Fire" Salander is so vehemently anti-abuse/prostitution/trafficking, I couldn't help but admire the writing.

Are you saying that sort of thing is creating a risk?

The evidence is saying that.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Yes, they are, because yes, it is. Or at least, boring old statistics suggest that it increases the existing risk.

I'll take that as a yes

I shall leave the more patient of the posters on this thread to deal with the monumental stupidity posed by the question "Are you saying that sort of thing is creating a risk?".