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In 10 years, we'll ask how we allowed the trans lobby to hijack childhood

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hackmum · 20/11/2018 09:19

Opinion piece by Celia Walden in the Telegraph. (Apologies if someone's already posted this - I can't see it anywhere.)

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/10-years-ask-did-allow-trans-lobby-hijack-childhood/

I can't read the whole thing, unfortunately, as my free articles have run out.

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theworldistoosmall · 20/11/2018 13:54

You would think that when the prison thing happened, those that have drunk the cool aid would have started to think actually maybe the fears we are hearing do have some bearing.

Grauniad · 20/11/2018 13:53

There are some seriously bonkers, homophobic, Islamophobic and everyone-but-the-writer-phobic comments under that article.

It's astonishing how many people can read about changing gender and think the writer meant 'coming out as gay', and rant about that instead.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/11/2018 13:47

Remember the satanic abuse thing in Orkney? This is the same sort of thing, people will look back and think wtf?! How did this happen?

Of course we want to stop it now, but sadly the way things go it's not going to be stopped until something really tragic happens.

IrmaFayLear · 20/11/2018 13:41

I thought it was very good observation how those in positions of power (schools, Girl Guides etc) are not acting out of genuine concern for children, but out of fear of not doing the so-called "correct" thing.

Like restaurants being very keen to hear about your allergies before ordering. They don't give a monkeys! They just don't want to be sued.

OlennasWimple · 20/11/2018 13:37

I read this and thought the comments were interesting too. So many people going WTF? And that was without the article really going into the detail of puberty blockers and their long term health effects

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2018 13:36

10 years time? Feminists are trying to stop this hijacking happening now. We really do not want to have to say (as we're already starting to say) 'we told you so'.

CelebsGerOotAEre · 20/11/2018 13:26

These people are out of their minds. Or they sold their soul to the Devil - they care more for their reputation, career and income than anything else.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/11/2018 13:09

My DF will like this. He reads the Telegraph and is very GC. Bet he rings me about it.

catsnoozing · 20/11/2018 12:43

The comments were interesting. Not quite what you get here Grin.

My favourite was someone called Hugh Oxford at 19 Nov 8:22:

"^As a father of a daughter, I phoned the "Girl Guides" to ask them whether, as an organisation that advertises itself as being only for girls, it actually lets male children in.

I then had a conversation with one of their policy officers, himself a man. The man was literally insane. Literally insane. He defined a girl as any child who "feels" themselves to be a girl.

I asked him how someone who wasn't actually a girl could ever know what it felt like to be a girl, such that he could know that he thought himself a girl. He had no answer.

These people are out of their minds. Apart from anything else, how can it possibly be legal for an organisation to advertise itself as an organisation exclusively for girls when it lets boys in?

Are these people from the same planet as the rest of us?^

On the whole, DT readers are not happy.

LangCleg · 20/11/2018 11:12

But the distinction will not be made

No, it won't.

hackmum · 20/11/2018 11:09

Celia Walden, of course, is married to Piers Morgan, and we know what Piers's view is on all this. But it's good to see this in the Telegraph - so far almost all of the coverage has been in the Times, Mail and Spectator. Perhaps the Telegraph will set their own news reporters on it.

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breastfeedingclownfish · 20/11/2018 09:41

Orchid

That's exactly what will happen in Scotland if they pass the Named Person legislation and Self ID legislation. Some of the councils even stated as much in their submissions to the Scottish Government Self ID consultation.

Two good reasons not to vote SNP if you live in Scotland.

breastfeedingclownfish · 20/11/2018 09:37

To be fair, some feminists will be to blame - 'lib fems'.

But the distinction will not be made

OrchidInTheSun · 20/11/2018 09:36

That's mainly a rehash of the Mail article so you're not missing an enormous amount hackmum. Though she does quote Dr Kate Godfrey-Faussett who I've never heard of.

She is 'a psychologist who works with children in schools across London, and goes so far as to call it “state-sanctioned child abuse”.

When I ask whether it can really be true that children could be sent off to consult with gender clinics without the parents’ knowledge, she explains that, currently, “the confidentiality of a trans child actually trumps everything, including a parent’s right to know. And if a school believes a child is mature enough to understand the implications of what they’re doing, they don’t need parental consent.”
Added to this, “if a child comes to school and tells the teachers ‘my parents are anti-trans’, the school can call in social services and treat it as a safeguarding concern under emotional abuse. Theoretically, the child could even be taken away.” '

Bloody hell Sad

KatVonGulag · 20/11/2018 09:28

That was a bitter lol
Not a jolly one

KatVonGulag · 20/11/2018 09:27

I'm sure that will be asked.

And I'm sure they'll find some way to blame feminists.

Lol

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