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Woman's Hour Tues 20/11/18 "Why is the current debate about sex and gender so often called “toxic” - we hear from @Bex_Stinson and @helenlewis"

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MrsSnippyPants · 20/11/2018 09:16

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NoUnicornsToSeeHere · 20/11/2018 10:12

I missed the beginning... why isn’t this a live debate and pre recorded?

hipsterfun · 20/11/2018 10:12

Oh god, the entitlement!

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:11

Well let Bex speak, peaking the nation

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2018 10:11

Bex knows they're a woman...

Bex feels safe in women's spaces...

AbsintheFriends · 20/11/2018 10:10

Trans bingo! Bex makes it personal! 'I'm not a danger to anyone'

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:09

Jane I think I love you

LilyRed · 20/11/2018 10:09

'Not listened to' ... or not listening, Bex?

AbsintheFriends · 20/11/2018 10:09

Bex arguing that the MSM is dominated by feminist voices demonising trans people. 'We aren't getting trans voices in the room'

WHAT UTTER BOLLOCKS

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2018 10:09

Ooooh Jane...

Why don't transmen occupy the same media space...

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:09

No I think it feels like JG has woken up

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:08

Really no trans voices ?

AbsintheFriends · 20/11/2018 10:07

It feels like WH is back speaking for actual women. These questions are so important.

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:06

Neuro some one linked to yesterday's on the thread about it

Budgieinaberet · 20/11/2018 10:05

Toxic hmm like DIAF ?

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2018 10:04

Wow Jane is really asking key questions.

"Why can't we discuss live?" ....

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2018 10:03

Dammit missed yesterday's one...

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2018 10:03
AbsintheFriends · 20/11/2018 10:00

I think Bex is like India W and favours the tactic of making it personal. 'Poor me, I'm just a harmless lady trying to live my life and wanting to be part of the gang, why would you ostracise me?'

It really annoys me as it's such a reductive and disingenuous way to view the issue and the ideology, but countering it makes the GC person look like a meanie (cf Posie on This Morning.) I imagine Bex has been practicing their wounded voice.

breastfeedingclownfish · 20/11/2018 10:00

"I also get a bit frustrated with HL but her fence sitting strategy has allowed her to keep her job at the NS and use it to allow other gender critical voices to speak"

Countess, yes certainly Glosswitch and Sarah Ditum have had a strong GC voice at NS and I believe (can't remember where I read this) that Helen Lewis has been very supportive of both. So good on her there.

Dragon3 · 20/11/2018 09:55

Really crossing my fingers that Helen feels able to come down off the fence Jemima.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 20/11/2018 09:52

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 20/11/2018 09:51

Agree on the fence sitting but hopefully Helen was listening yesterday when all 3 TRAs came across dreadfully and will now come down off the fence.

It really did seem yesterday that a line had been crossed and the TWAW ideology is being recognised for the incoherent mess that it is

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/11/2018 09:49

I also get a bit frustrated with HL but her fence sitting strategy has allowed her to keep her job at the NS and use it to allow other gender critical voices to speak, so overall I think she is very much a Good Thing.

Ereshkigal · 20/11/2018 09:39

Breastfeeding is spot on.

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