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Intersectionality appropriation explained by Lisa re Sally Hines

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SignMeUp · 20/11/2018 06:20

So a friend of mine is starting a monthly Women's Dance Event. She made a Facebook page for it and guess what? Everyone jumped in demanding her to define "woman" and who is welcome. She was pretty much forced to clarify that it's for anyone who identifies as a woman. .Here is how she said it: ( Keep in mind she is a young nursing mother with 5 children who has recently moved and now has to move again because of moldy home, shit landlord, she doesn't sit around reading gender critical or queer theory,etc) " In response to questions of gender naming and this Women Only dance~ this is a dance created especially and exclusively for people who identify as women. ❤️ALL women are welcome.❤️ This is inclusive of some people, and not of others, because it is a sacred space deliberately created for women"
OK. Next come the non-binaries asking if they are welcome. So, if someone is "non binary and trans masc" are they welcome? My friend, the organizer didn't respond at first, but several other women stepped up with their Kool-Aid mustaches to pontificate.
I stepped in with the softest kid-gloves to clarify a few things. Blah blah blah I am so very tired of being diplomatic. I was accused of over-intellectualizing and many assumptions were expressed out of the blue. Today I was given the intersectionality prop , virtue signal. I'm furious and I just so happened upon this video and it made me feel much better.
Thank you for letting me vent

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missbonita · 20/11/2018 08:28

victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/

Here is June’s article :)

R0wantrees · 20/11/2018 08:26

Yet lots of dancing events are advertised for the under 12s, over 25s, over 65s etc and age is not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act Hmm

Bittermints · 20/11/2018 07:47

Indeed. I remember reading a while back a very interesting Twitter thread or blog post from Jessica Eaton. She and her partner run a mental health foundation for men in memory of his father who had very serious MH problems and tragically took his own life. She says nobody ever queries why the foundation is for men only. They get a lot of praise for their work.

But when she turns to her day job, which is researching into violence against women and girls, she gets a constant barrage of 'Not all men are like that', 'Women can be violent too but men are too ashamed to report it', 'Why aren't you researching into violent women?' etc etc.

I wonder why.

StarsAndWater · 20/11/2018 06:50

I was at a local Christmas fair recently where local organisations and charities had stalls to hand out leaflets, do raffles, raise a bit of cash etc.
It struck me how many were for a specific biological/physical group in some way e.g for the over 60s, or BAME or charities for people with a specific illness or disability.
I'm betting it wouldnt occur to any of the people having a go at the OPs friend that those groups are 'exclusionary' and demand they explain themselves.
Women are the only ones who aren't allowed their own spaces.

EverardDigby · 20/11/2018 06:47

I remember nearly 30 years ago at the same event organising two meetings about women's rights. The first one was women only, and some men kicked off quite strongly that they were excluded. The other meeting was open to men and women, but not a single man came. This reminds me of that, this shit has been going on for ages.

SignMeUp · 20/11/2018 06:43

Bittermints Good question. It seems so petty with what is going on in the real world. Yet I feel deeply sorry for these young women and I guess I hope to gently welcome them back from this cult. I would have really liked to have a womens only dance space. "Penis Free Zone" didn't go over too well. I have utmost compassion for the masc identified young women and it is the saddest irony that they end up being excluded.

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Bittermints · 20/11/2018 06:28

Thanks, will watch later. Re your friend's event - what is the matter with people who nitpick about what 'Women's' means in a context like that? If they want a monthly dance for people with blue hair why don't they start their own instead of taking over someone else's?

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