Bob Withers on GMB and This Morning today

I think Bob was great, but it is infuriating how much air time he’s been given in 1 day, compared to other campaigning women who have been desperately trying to be heard. The main thing though is that at least the truth is now being discussed-there simply must be more talking therapy offered to children before any sort of medical intervention is offered-I don’t understand how anyone can think blocking puberty & preventing a child’s brain maturing is a useful thing when faced with a situation where the child is confused & will most likely be fine after puberty.

It's funny, I've searched high and low for a cogent trans argument, and never found one.

Me too. "You're mean", "TWAW" and intersex based sophistry is pretty much the whole arsenal.

The surgery and makeup are very flattering and I can't stop looking at MB, there was a lot of skill there.

Do you think? I thought MB was beautiful (albeit not passing) in the pre FFS days. Now? Like a doll.

Thanks Bob for repeatedly going back to safeguarding. Calm and clear and focused. MB completely unable to give any actual facts and trying to manipulate emotions. Same as always. It's funny, I've searched high and low for a cogent trans argument, and never found one.

I did feel that it came across that IW thought autistic children were justifiable collateral damage. Like it doesn't matter if some of them are transed by mistake.

I've heard that from many TRAs.

The man should have been given more opportunity to speak. Another poorly control debate by GMB.

I did feel that it came across that IW thought autistic children were justifiable collateral damage. Like it doesn't matter if some of them are transed by mistake.

Lack of clarity around terms. Medical means taking medication, surgical means Well, surgery obvs. So medical transitioning is not the srs that Bergdorf seems to think it means.

I reckon Bergdorf is very well aware what it means and the misinterpretation is deliberate. The tactic seems to be to try to win over the uninformed general public with this innocent 'What? Nothing to see here...' schtick: throwing in a disingenuous 'fact' here, a smattering of fake stats there. All used like smoke and mirrors to distract from the annoying reason of what professionals like Bob Withers are saying.

Christ on a bike. After GMB, This Morning, and Woman's Hour today I really do need a lie down. Watching Bob Withers being swept aside by the TRA narcissist squad made for very uncomfortable viewing. Next week - the earth is flat, nun found on the moon, and how to nail a jelly to the ceiling.

Lack of clarity around terms. Medical means taking medication, surgical means Well, surgery obvs. So medical transitioning is not the srs that Bergdorf seems to think it means.

The surgery and makeup are very flattering and I can't stop looking at MB, there was a lot of skill there.

The speech therapy has not been as successful because it sounds like two voices in unison are coming out of the mouth of MB.

Communication skills need some work also, I hear a thesaurus trying to manipulate my emotions rather than any logic whilst MB is debating.

Bob Withers is fantastic - his desperation to get FACTS across is palpable, but balanced with great courtesy

In my opinion, it would be great if Munroe Bergdorf started sentences with 'in my opinion' when that's the case.
Might get a bit repetitive obviously.

Just watched the This Morning clip, which is now up on YouTube. Bob Withers is fantastic - his desperation to get FACTS across is palpable, but balanced with great courtesy which elevates his argument beyond the personal, in spite of Munroe repeatedly trying to drag it down into the usual emotional swamp.

The truth just won't stay buried anymore, it seems...

OMG that would be among one of my worst nightmares SS

Can we all imagine how fucking thrilled I am that SB is best buds with the CoG and teachers at my children’s school, including the head of PSHE

I think SB has had quite a long run of making statements which haven't been questioned or scrutinised.

Yes.

It makes me realise how far we've come. Actually being able to discuss the facts rather than being drawn into emotive responses to 'personal struggle' narratives.

Is Sarah Really this badly informed about their own specialist subject?

I think SB has had quite a long run of making statements which haven't been questioned or scrutinised.

Sarah Brown also talks shit. Why was Sarah saying children in the UK are not given drugs?

Sarah actually argued with Nick Ferrari when he corrected the inaccuracy. SB said no child under 16 in the UK is given blockers and that they don't get them till tanner stage 3.

That's just not true. At least 800 UK kids have been given puberty blockers, with 230 of them under 14 and some as young at 10.

Is Sarah Really this badly informed about their own specialist subject?

Article on blockers

Shit. Sarah Brown does not give a fuck about autistic kids.

Also here's the LBC clicky link: cdn.lbc.audioagain.com/shared/audio/2018-11/19/051303a80270b38e5f40a4a301cf1189.mp3

You can watch the episode here: www.itv.com/hub/this-morning/1a1960a5928

On the above link to LBC, Bob is followed by Sarah Brown. She could not give sources for any of her 'facts'.

The time for listener calls is then basically taken up by a very emotional man ringing in about his child with Mosaic Turner syndrome, so again intersex is brought into the debate.
Whilst I am of course sympathetic, I did feel it didn't add to the debate.

Just watching the 1st piece with IW and I cannot believe how little fucks IW gives for the well being of kids. It is actually upsetting me.

Bob Withers on LBC at around 1.29.00 here

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