Men in gender neutral toilets

This is such a terrible idea. I’m getting far too old to go to gigs and clubs now, but I remember the ladies was often a refuge; a place to escape a creepy bloke, somewhere to have a chat or sometimes somewhere to let off steam/have a booze-fuelled cry. All of which are impossible with gender neutral toilets.

He walked in and a woman was in there. He felt really uncomfortable and walked out.

No decent man wants mixed sex loos. DH also horrified by the idea.
The only people who want mixed sex loos are those who want to use them as validation booths, those who want to use them to abuse women and those who want to show their woke credentials.

The vast majority of women AND men don’t want mixed sex loos.

yeah men are pigs aren't they

My DH opposes GN toilets. He thinks it’s just wrong.

He’s also frequently complains how some men have no standards of hygiene. Pissing all over the place and not washing their hands, then going out of the loo and holding their child’s hand and eating food.

Women posting that they don't have a problem with finding a man openly pissing in a mixed-sex toilet are missing a bit of a point. Many other women do have a problem with this and some men will do it deliberately to upset women and/or because they get off on it.

Mixed-sex toilets offer men the opportunity to offend women.

I've posted this elsewhere on here in the past. I am fairly relaxed about this kind of thing in general and wouldn't be particularly bothered by opening the door on a man pissing BUT once when I was a student and the toilets were gender neutral (Oxford college that hadn't bothered to change the toilets when they admitted women) I accidentally walked in on a man having a piss and HE was so upset he followed me to my room and wrote 'dyke' all over my door.

I really don't see why we should have to deal with this kind of thing. Just leave our fucking single sex toilets alone

of course men should make a point of locking the toilets when in use, but at a gig I can think of worse things that could happen than opening the door of a portaloo and finding a man mid-pee

Mixed sex toilets are a terrible idea. Especially at a gig full of rowdy drunks.

Professor Clara Greed makes the same point in hr speech (linked previously) about some inadequate mixed sex toilets at a students' union building... definitely terrible idea when students drunk on a Saturday night etc

Mixed sex toilets are a terrible idea. Especially at a gig full of rowdy drunks.

I can't imagine it's just women who find the idea of neutral toilets awkward.

I'm a man but I am also aware my presence may make others feel uncomfortable. That's very much something I do not want to do and as such it's a location I will always avoid.

When men are allowed in they either piss on the seat so we have to clean it to sit down, or leave it up so we have to touch it to put it down. Why doesn't anyone think of these basic facts before making ridiculous decisions. I don't want to wipe or in any way mess about with public toilet seats. And they shouldn't be in there anyway, for all the other reasons. Just leave us alone.

He realises it makes women feel more than uncomfortable.

My DP went to a new workplace with mixed sex toilets recently.
He walked in and a woman was in there. He felt really uncomfortable and walked out. He didn't want the woman to feel uncomfortable either.

WPUK speech,
'Professor Clara Greed is Professor of Inclusive Urban Planning at the University of the West of England, Bristol, and a specialist in toilet provision with particular emphasis upon women's needs'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD92aLqgtTA

I'm post menopausal and never used a mooncup but I'm sorely tempted to get one and some sachets of ketchup just so I can wash it out at the basins if I ever have to use a GNT.

FFS men. Leave the seat up, piss all over the seat, leave the door open and do your flies up as you're exiting (ie haven't washed your hands).

Who is teaching themthis shit or do they just adopt a dirty bastard attitude as soon as they get to go to the toilet by themselves in a public loo?

Disgusting

I don’t have a problem with gender neutral toilets at all.

But twice recently I have been at gigs where the toilets are gender neutral only and I’ve opened a door to find a man mid wee who hasn’t locked the door. Is this a creepy bastard thing or do men not think to lock the doors? They are full floor to ceiling doors so I couldn’t tell if occupied or not if the door was unlocked.

So, you DO have a problem with them!

I work in a school where the staff toilets are individual little MIXED SEX rooms opening off a busy corridor. I have opened toilet doors three times now to find male colleagues inside mid piss.

I agree with everyone else who says these are ‘mixed sex’ toilets. Let’s call this what it is.

I would write to the venue and complain about the experience, OP. You and every other female gig goer doesn’t want to see randomers’ cocks as part of that or deal with their pissy seats, or depending on what you are heading to the toilet for, how sober, and how alone you are.. risk getting harassed or sexually assaulted or worse in a confined space.

‘Gender Neutral’ is basically just PR speak for ‘we don’t give a fuck about women’.
Mixed sex adult toileting creates inherently unsafe spaces for women which undermine their privacy and dignity.

Also ‘gender’ is never neutral.. gender is a really fucking harmful social hierarchy that is used to hurt women and anyone of either sex if they don’t toe the correct line around femininity or masculinity.

All single-sex toilets are by their nature inherently already gender neutral anyway-females can gender non-conform or not, in the female toilets. No problem.

Most women don’t want to be forced to validate people who are NOT female by being obliged to share with them spaces in which women need to be vulnerable.

current thread re Sunday Times article today:
'Ambulance chiefs trap defacer of unisex signs
NHS bosses have hired a handwriting expert to identify the worker who mocked gender-neutral changing rooms'
(extract)
"The changes, aimed at helping transgender people, were revealed by Jules Lockett, head of emergency operations centre training at London Ambulance Service, and joint head of its lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender network, at a conference in the capital.

Lockett said the service had faced down “bravado” to bring in gender-neutral lavatories, showers and changing rooms “across our stations”. She said: “We did get a lot of people trying to rip the signs down, so we just printed a lot off and were just going round and sticking them back on.”

Lockett said dissidents in ambulance crews had taken “a permanent marker into the toilet to make changes on the signs, et cetera, that we’ve put up . . . What people don’t realise is we’ve had one of our directors who has collected these signs, collected the handwriting and asked for a professional analyst to compare that handwriting with the handwriting they used on their patient report forms, and we have found [a] person.” Lockett insisted staff had no right to be concerned about the changes: “It doesn’t matter. If I walk into an ambulance station . . . there will be people getting changed. Whether they are male or female, it doesn’t matter.” (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3426959-NHS-managers-called-in-a-handwriting-expert-to-track-down-opponents-of-transgender-friendly-toilets

August 2018, Daily Mail article:

'Female Home Office employees are refusing to use new £36,000 gender-neutral toilets because they feel 'distressed' by their male colleagues leaving the cubicle doors open
Notice on bathroom at Westminster headquarters asked men to keep doors shut
Five male and five female toilets have been converted into ten unisex facilities
Home Office said bathroom was designed to create a comfortable environment'
(extract)
Women have been avoiding new £36,000 gender-neutral lavatories at the Home Office because men are leaving their cubicle doors open while they’re inside.

A notice has been placed outside the unisex toilets at the department’s Westminster headquarters asking men to ensure they only use them with the doors shut because their behaviour was keeping female colleagues away.

‘Women are finding use of the toilets quite distressing and are not using these toilets as a result,’ (continues)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337295-DM-Women-avoiding-new-gender-neutral-toilets-in-the-home-office-because-men-cant-close-the-door

I think it is just general unthinking but it will put off some women from using them. So the best thing is that women should stay at home, get on with the housework and stop taking up public space. It’s very progressive.

I caught my husband drunkenly doing this at an event with mix sex loos (that were utterly trashed by that stage in the evening).
I made him apologise to the queue.