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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:23

School with 17 children changing gender

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RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:36

Welcome to MN.

Do you think it important we understand if there is a link between autism and being trans?

If there is, surely this would help schools give adequate support, rather than hinder the issue?

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scotsheather · 18/11/2018 00:35

You couldn't make it up could you? Even if we accept a minority would be considered to have gender dysphoria by the traditional accepted meaning, this explosion in recent years has quite sinister patterns that can not be ignored any longer.

alex180 · 18/11/2018 00:29

As someone who came out as transgender during high school - I find this terrible and shocking.

How a teacher is able to share this sort of information is a huge safe guarding issue. I’m sure the school will know if it is about them - and shall have serious consequences on the teacher involved.

Gender identity and the meaning of transgender has blown up over the last few years. Young people and old people are now able to express themselves as they know who they are and they can understand it. It’s normal for young people to explore their identities, it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies, and it’s totally normal for an individual to be transgender - and for a teacher to slam them for this is seriously worrying.

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them. So maybe instead of calling young people “attention seekers” “horrendous” or “dreadful” go and speak to them, visit your local lgbt+ centre and understand what it’s like.

We are not a debate, we are not a phase and we will never be shut down by negative media comments, negative people or negative energy.

  • A trans person who wants to make the lives of trans people easier, and less political.
RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:18

I think the phrase is: 'needs more research' And I'll stick an 'urgently' in there to boot.

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RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:17

Remember Stonewall's own YouGov survey had a self reported rate of disability of 50%. Buried away in the small print.

I do not think the Mail article mentions that.

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HirooOnoda · 18/11/2018 00:14

The Daily Mail - I mean I am surprised yet not in any way surprised. I would love to know the reality of this situation as I suspect it has been misconstrued at best

DeRigueurMortis · 18/11/2018 00:13

It's been there in plain sight but no one wanted to talk about it for fear of being labelled transphobic.

Compare with the child abuse scandal in Rotherham. Despite many red flags and reports it was allowed to continue because of a fear of racism.

It's not hard to see when something is fundamentally amiss.

What seems to be hard now is pointing it out without the suggestion that your motivation is safeguarding, pure and simple.

colouringinpro · 18/11/2018 00:10

Horrendous

RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:07

And

According to Carol, nine of the 18 children she has seen identify as transgender have been diagnosed with autism while the rest had definite signs of the condition. ‘Typically, these children are bright outsiders,’ she says.

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RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:04

That student, who was born female, told Carol she wanted to identify as non-binary-a person – with no specific gender – in January 2014, at the age of 16 and two years after being diagnosed as autistic.

After consulting with her parents, the school agreed to change the student’s name on the register to one that was gender neutral. Teachers also agreed to use both male and female pronouns depending what gender the student identified as on any given day.

‘These pronouns could change from hour to hour depending how the student was feeling,’ Carol said.

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RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 00:01

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7767662/students-school-17-pupils-changing-gender-autistic/
School has 17 children changing gender as whistleblower claims ‘autistic’ pupils are being ‘tricked’ into thinking they are the wrong sex
A teacher at the school claims older pupils who changed gender 'groomed' younger students to follow suit

And here's The Sun also covering it.

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Procrastinator1 · 18/11/2018 00:00

No, no mention on Sky apart from at the beginning when the read out the headline.

silentcrow · 17/11/2018 23:56

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401593/amp/Whistleblower-teacher-makes-shocking-claim-autistic.html?__twitter_impression=true

Full text here. It's astonishingly textbook - exactly how women have been predicting for years.

Imnobody4 · 17/11/2018 23:52

Just watched the Papers on BBC News Channel. They had it right there and ignored in favour of the Lib Dem peer suspension. What cowardice.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 23:45

The DM isn't the MoS. However their editorial lines are now more aligned since Dacre scooted off.

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LangCleg · 17/11/2018 23:33

MoS is not the same paper as DM in any case.

LizzieSiddal · 17/11/2018 23:30

This does not surprise me. My niece is as a middle size secondary and has 3 in her year group who identify as trans. One who changes his gender on a weekly basis, and according to her is “doing it to get attention”. She couldn’t repent how many trans pupils were in the whole school.

Thanks to the DM for highlighting this epidemic.

Procrastinator1 · 17/11/2018 23:24

Press preview on Sky at 11.20 pm perhaps?

Binglebong · 17/11/2018 23:23

Badger I credit people with the ability to see past any bias and work out the truth of a story. You can find information from both far right and far left and still be part of the middle.

In other words I think the argument of refusing to listen because of the source is just showing their lack of critical thinking.

Awrite · 17/11/2018 23:19

Well done that teacher.

How very brave.

I really hope they aren't outed.

ZIGGY7 · 17/11/2018 23:18

A friend of mine has a son with special needs who was very affected by a ‘transgender day’ his school had. Letting lobby groups in who have no qualifications to work with children, and who discuss the existence of a ‘gender identity’, is major red flag safeguarding failure.

Badgerthebodger · 17/11/2018 23:18

As an aside, I’m getting a bit sick of seeing posters saying they won’t open Mail links, or asking for a “more credible” source. Whilst I appreciate the thought behind it, part of a healthy democracy is a free press. You can’t just have one or two publishers toeing the party line and being all PC and lefty. We need to have a range of publications with a range of editorial stances, and we need to teach kids to think critically and assess the source. It’s only
MN where it’s seen as unacceptable to be even slightly right of centre, or admit to voting Tory! Lots of people read the Mail, like it or not. They’ve had some good pieces on this issue and shouldn’t be written off. The Times, particularly Janice Turner, have been exceptional.

Binglebong · 17/11/2018 23:17

Newsnight (I think) do a front page round up. Doors anyone know if they covered this?

RepealtheGRA · 17/11/2018 23:14

I wonder how big the school is? Knowing what numbers are like at my local secondary, I’m not as shocked as I should be Sad

Badgerthebodger · 17/11/2018 23:07

Good on the Mail. I used to subscribe to the view that they were a hate-filled rag but thank god they’ve got the courage to print this stuff. The BBC and The Guardian sure as hell aren’t touching it. I think it’s good that the word’s getting out. A bit of Middle England outrage directed at their MPs would soon cut into the nonsense of some of the proposed reforms

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