Tomorrows Mail on Sunday Front Page

The basic idea is to distance people from their past, to make their past bad, or evil, or the source of all their problems. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, is very important in indoctrination. It's the same message over and over and over again. In some groups they may sound like different stories, different teachings, but it's always the same basic idea. The cult leaders are basically 'one trick ponies'.

Is this why deadnaming becomes such an issue...beyond why some might find it useful to hide things. And with the obvious parallel with religion.

There's a huge segment of the Daily Mail online page devoted to various articles on this today - been bumped down slightly by the Brexit bickering unfortunately but they have definitely nailed colours firmly to the mast on this one.

Why is the Mail at the forefront of reporting these issues? I know the Times has done good work as well, but the editors of the Gaurdian should hang their heads in shame. They are complicit in the transing of children. A generation of young people being manipulated and hoodwinked into a life of permanent medical dependency and sterility.

In 20 years we'll look back on the rush to change our children's sex as one of the darkest chapters in medicine, says psychotherapist BOB WITHERS

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6402003/Well-look-rush-change-childrens-sex-one-darkest-chapters-medicine.html

This is truly frightening.

Wow, she's really getting desperate, isn't she?

Yes, it is acknowledged there’s is a correlation between autistic traits and trans identities, but that doesn’t mean that autistic people’s gender identity should be ignored?

Mimmymum's wise words:

Let’s start off with the blatant ableism. Yes, it is acknowledged there’s is a correlation between autistic traits and trans identities, but that doesn’t mean that autistic people’s gender identity should be ignored?

Also - since when were teachers medically trained to diagnose?

Don't worry TRAs, mimmymum has waded in on your behalf. First stop: this blame ableism! twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1063995649212014592?s=19

My own DD, who has ASD (as do I) says if she had heard about transgenderism when she was 13/14 she would have easily been sucked in.
I'm so glad I went to school many years ago! Also have asd, like what's traditionally seen as men's hobbies and wear all guys clothes, boxers, tshirts, jeans etc, as they're comfy, back then was just regarded as a Tom boy.
Now I know that gender is bullshit, clothes are clothes, hobbies are hobbies etc they don't belong to one sex, however back then I could imagine being persuaded I was the "wrong body" because of my likes etc

Still shaking my head at Alex's implication that autism is the result of bullying. Is anything in TRA land not a reversal?

Assuming the school is of average size then that means about 2% of the children are identifying as transgender.

The currently increased estimate of the transgender population (from the USA) is 0.6% transgender, but that of course includes adults as well.

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them.

You don’t fucking get autism from bullying.

We beat the eugenicists in the Forties - even though they conquered most of Europe - and we’ll beat them this time too.

I don’t care how many Oswald Moseleys there are in Parliament.

Well done that teacher for speaking out and being concerned about the welfare of her pupils. So there we have it now in MSM - the wholesale undue influence of vulnerable minds plus the dismantling of safeguarding that prevents parents or anyone else being told what is happening. This is cult recruitment and coercive control 101. Love bomb, isolate and indoctrinate, in order to break someone's sense of self.

Unfreezing, Changing, and Refreezing - the process of breaking and taking control of someone's mind. Cult members are trained to be on the lookout for people who are vulnerable because they are easy targets.

Those who are conned or deceived into joining a cult will be put through an unfreezing process.

The basic idea is to distance people from their past, to make their past bad, or evil, or the source of all their problems. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, is very important in indoctrination. It's the same message over and over and over again. In some groups they may sound like different stories, different teachings, but it's always the same basic idea. The cult leaders are basically 'one trick ponies'.

Extreme peer pressure is applied. The old values, old ideas, old beliefs, are criticized and blamed for life's problems, but now new solutions are offered. The message is: Accept the group's ideas, take on the new beliefs and values and everything will be okay. It will all work out the way you want.

People who continue to question or doubt or criticize are dealt with severely. They may be thrown out of the group straight away. They may be isolated (and indoctrinated individually) so they have no impact on other new members, or they are made an example of, such that other members don't dare to speak out against the group.

I'll do a more detailed post if anyone is interested.

Also, what was the name of the training program that many of the woke grads in NFPs and govt. are put through?

it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies

I agree, it's called puberty and growing up. What is not ok is telling vulnerable children that it is because they are trans.

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them

Children with mental issues are not getting the help they need because of the affirmation only approach being pushed by the trans lobby. Autistic children, girls who have been abused etc.

The fact that trans people have a high rate of mental health issues is not due to society and doesn't appear to stop after transition, suggesting that the underlying issues are never investigated fully or given the correct treatment.

It is not up to other people to constantly have to affirm your identity.

17 doesn't sound like a large number at all. There must be that many trans identified kids in DD1's Y10 cohort of 400 alone.
In another local school, one trans boy has a trans sister. Vegan cat scenario if ever there was one.

So it's a phase but not a phase? Well done, Alex, impressive logic there.

Autistic kids are clearly extra vulnerable to social contagion on this issue and need extra safeguarding.

Yes - "Leave them kids alone"!
Ring any bells?

We just should not fucking pathologise normal human teenage confusion.

my 82 year old dad buys the Mail on Sunday. wonder what he is going to think of this Will confuse DM

“It’s normal for young people to explore their identities, it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies”

Hi Alex. Thanks for posting. If this is he case, why do you later say “this isn’t a phase?”

Surely, many of these kids who are coming out as trans now are in fact as you put it “exploring their identities” and “uncomfortable wit their bodies” which I agree is incredibly normal?

Furthermore Why must we agree to sterilize and mutilate these children immediately or else be called bigots and reactionaries? It seems we should tell these children their feelings are a completely normal aspect of being humans.

@alex180
Well done for being brave enough to come on here to express your views and I hope you don't mind me giving mine in return. As you pointed out it's normal for young people to explore their identities and it's been going on for decades. Think mods, rockers, hippies, punks, new romantics, emos and dozens of others. Many of us older people lived, ate and breathed our adolescent identities, truly believing that our new identity and associated culture were groundbreaking and the future.
But then things moved on, we grew up, we had new influences and experiences and we changed. The old identity went out and a new, usually more boring one came in. At first we were embarrassed by the physical modifications we made, the piercings or tattoos. Now, if we still have them, people just laugh.
The bodily modifications your generation are making won't be so easily erased. That's why us older people (I'm in my 60s) are worried and scared for you. I'm not a crazy, hate filled terf. I'm just a regular person who would hate to see any of my grandchildren make irreversible changes to their bodies due to exploring a teenage identity when experience tells me it is just a fad.

Why? What is their agenda? Why are they interested in transing kids?

And why are the kids transing now mostly female to male whilst the older transpeople seem to be male to female?

I'm autistic and I don't conform to any 'gender'. This could have happened to me when I was young. Don't underestimate how much people hate and coerce autistic people. This is eugenics.

visit your local lgbt+ centre and understand what it’s like

alex180 many of us here are lgbt+ and have decades of experience of living, thinking, and discussing this. We aren't newbies that you need to educate, thanks. Many of us were also gender nonconforming as children, and are horrified at the way that young people are now being medicalised and sterilised, instead of their nonconformity treated as the perfectly ordinary thing it is.

tl'dr stop trying to teach your grandmothers to suck eggs

Eerm... In that article, there is a big photograph of the wrong politician. A photo of David Davis, politician, the former Brexit minister (and somewhat useless person, IMV); whereas the Tory MP who has been standing up for free speech for women, and good for him for doing so, is David T.C. Davies Conservative MP for Monmouth. There is a big difference between these two persons!

alex180 Nope, we see you. We see how you try to shut down conversations. We see how you try to stop reporting on safe guarding issues . We see you! Enough already, we as a group will never stop referencing our concerns on this ideological nightmare.